The Majority of Dems are trying to fake their way into the nomination. Bernie is a true progressive. If Bernie ends up losing the winner better make him their VP if they know whats good for them. I cannot believe the hit jobs on Bernie. It's coming from all sides.
And is a “true progressive” a viable democratic candidate that can best Trump? I don’t see it. As someone said earlier, Bernie’s positions aren’t as mainstream as his supporters think. Do Americans support Medicare for all, yes but the devil is in the details. Trump will just show rioting France and Venezuela whenever socialism is brought up.
He had a legitimate shot last election because of his proposed trade policies which are similar to Trump's in protectionism That being said every election is different but all are about economics
He did but so did Hillary who barely lost. Bernie did better in the mid west and Hillary did better everywhere else. And Trump is polling in the low 40s in spite of this strong economy. The middle is the field is wide open to take down Trump so why lurch leftward?
Mean or not. I think Hillary meant “losers” when she said “deplorables”. Why have some parts of the country prospered and others haven’t? They are “losers” because they don’t want to adapt, they want the past back. The Rust Belt has been called that for decades... meanwhile a New South has risen as a manufactering and job hub and the West Coast keeps growing.
56% of Americans support M4A. A majority of Republicans now support M4A. Not only is it mainstream, every Democrat running for president has basically been required (forced) to say they support it publicly while they say they don't privately. The devil isn't in the details, it's how the devil frames the argument. The argument is always framed in a conservative manner which is always to dissuade people from the real saving of M4A. Trump ran as a populist in 2016. Now that he has been in office, and taken money from the people that believed in him, he can't get away with that silly sh-t anymore.
Here is my problem with Bernie Sanders. He talks about every other major country having healthcare for everyone. Then why wouldn't you follow what these other "socialized" countries have done tax wise? The reality is the countries in Europe do not tax the "rich" anywhere near what Sanders wants to do. They all tax middle income much higher than we do. Below I linked an article that outlines his tax brackets from his 2016 plan. All I ask is you go and compare them to the brackets of countries in Europe. Here is the big problem I see. In the UK the top capital gains tax is 28% and the top income tax bracket is 45%. In Bernie's world, anyone making over 250k will pay the same tax on capital gains that they pay on income and at 250k it starts at 39% and goes all the way up to 54.2% for anyone over 10 million. Tell me why anyone in the world would choose to invest in our country with those rates when even "socialized" Europe does not have rates in that ballpark? Also, who wants to gamble their money in our stock market with the same tax exposure as income? That seems like a huge problem trying to compete in this global economy. One article I read estimated that it would shrink our GDP 9%. I can't see people that get their health insurance through their job saying yea.. switch me over to this plan... https://www.usatoday.com/story/spon...-bernie-sanders-income-tax-brackets/32607881/
That’s my point, of course the notion of Medicare For All is popular. How popular will it be when Bernie will answer how it will be paid for? The “savings” all depend on details... not the other way around. Medicare is more cost efficient than its private peers, but how do you scale that up? You can’t just give it to everyone and automatically expect savings... Maybe... I think a progressive candidate will do worse than a moderate.
This is what I still don't understand about America. When it's time to give Americas healthcare, jobs, or education, the first question is always how are you going to pay for it? When it's time to give money to the rich, or go to war, or pay for a swanky new jet, no one EVER asks where the money is coming from. Trump just gave billions to the rich and no one asked him how he was going to pay for it. People are seeing it now in their tax returns. Republicans have been giving money to the rich for decades, America has been funding wars since the beginning of time and not once have we wondered where the money is coming from. If America shifts priorities there is always a way to pay for the stuff that Americans need most.
Agreed on the midwest was where the election was decided. Im not arguing for Bernie cause i agree the election is open. Really against Trump you just have to show a return to normalcy
Because a lot of people who vote Republican believe everyone has a shot to be rich so they don't want to set policies in place taking from the rich
Don’t confuse the GOP’s proclivity to spend money on things on they want while decrying things they don’t.... for employing a massive entitlement system that will overtake our already massive Medicaid and Medicare system? How will Medicare for all function? Will the backbone be public while supplemental care is private? The details matter greatly how this is implemented. I am for Medicare for All, but also an incrementalist. Why don’t we start off by having everyone have catastrophic coverage like we do with automobiles?
If Bernie only did well in the Midwest but got beat everywhere else then we’d talking about a different narrative. Bottomline, Trump won because more GOPers could hold their nose and vote him while Dems caught feelings.
Dems caught "feelings"? Lol wut? Hillary couldn't get people out to vote. Dem candidates are pretty dependent on sections of the population that don't normally vote in order to clinch victories (minorities, young people, first-time voters etc.). They are, to some degree, overly dependent on energetic/charismatic candidates in order to win elections. Combine that with continued Republican efforts to make it more difficult for people to vote and you become vulnerable to even very minimal decreases in voter turnout. The voter turnout % in 2016 was 55.7%. Pretty middle of the road for recent elections. When Obama won in 2008, he won in a landslide with 58.2% turnout. When he barely won in 2012, voter turnout was at 54.9%, which made the specific states where he eeked out victories all the more important. With Hillary not being able to draw a voter turnout in the 57-59% range, she was at the mercy of whatever happened in the key Midwest states. She lost. Trump won because Hillary could not energize the 2-3% of voters she needed to blow the election open. Regular Dems didn't catch "feelings", they voted for Hillary. But every election demands (especially if you're a Democrat) that you energize inconsistent and new voters to show out. People who were liberal-leaning but not loyal-Dems were basically apathetic towards her. And with the media basically crowning her the victor there was never a sense of urgency to beat Trump. She wasn't very inspiring, her incrementalist policies couldn't energize anyone, had a ton of baggage, and the media just made it worse. She lost. end of story.
Comes down to this. Bernie didn’t get the black vote in the South. You CANNOT win the Nomination with that in the South. I don’t see him doing that.
