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[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. Haymitch

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    I wonder. Of those who run for the nomination, what percentage actually believe they can win?

    I assume Bernie knows he won't win, but thinks that when he finally concedes he will be able to give someone a boost by lending his endorsement
     
  2. Major

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    Never underestimate ego and living in a bubble where everyone around you worships you. I bet all of the top-tier candidates (Harris, Warren, Bernie, Beto, Biden, Booker, etc) all think they can win. Some others like Klobuchar probably hope they can. Others like Castro, Gabbard, etc probably are trying to build a more national profile for the future.
     
  3. Deckard

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    I didn't say he stood for all Bernie's positions on the issues. I don't agree with everything Bernie says he'll do, not until I hear reasonable ways to bring them about so that it isn't just talk. They have to be paid for. Hell, trump is creating incredible amounts of debt in an amazingly short time. I think it will take the first term of a Democratic president just to clean up the financial mess he's going to leave the country.

    Glynch, I haven't decided who I'm going to support, not yet. I'm leaning towards Beto now because I was very impressed with the campaign he ran in Texas. He's a breath of fresh air and excellent on the stump. He also has a lot to spell out as far as what his positions are on the issues. Remember, he was running in the state of Texas. I think he'll run a national campaign a bit differently than he ran here, if he runs. He might not.

    What I'm not interested in is Bernie Sanders running at the head of the Democratic ticket. He's too old and doesn't have as wide an appeal nationally as some of his supporters seem to think, in my opinion. Major addressed some of my concerns pretty well. Heck, I'm concerned about Joe Biden running because of his age. He's only a year younger than Bernie, isn't he?

    It's past time for the Democratic Party to have some new leadership. I don't see Bernie Sanders as a good choice. He should stay in the Senate, in my opinion. Frankly, I'm surprised that he decided to run again. I don't think he's going to win the nomination, but he could sink the hopes of who does, if he whines like he did in 2016 after losing.
     
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  5. Major

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    That's not really surprising - Bernie is the only one with a national donor list from 2016 to start with. I'm actually more impressed with Klobuchar of those 4 numbers, given that she has no national profile or name recognition.
     
  6. ivanyy2000

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    I'd like to see a Bernie and Trump match up, which should have happened first time around.

    The rest of Dem field so far: they are just a bunch of clowns. I am so so not impressed.
     
  7. DonnyMost

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    Bbbbbbut he's DOA!
     
  8. tallanvor

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    Ha. I know a certain braindead socialist who would be perfect

     
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  9. justtxyank

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    Bernie absolutely 100% expects to win.
     
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  10. Major

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    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...hes-looking-for-a-younger-female-running-mate

    Sanders told CBS on Tuesday morning he had a better chance of success next year than in 2016 when he was vying against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    "When you're running against one person you know you gotta have 51 percent of the votes. Now who knows what you need, 30, 35 percent," he said.

    Translated: I can win now, because the bar is lower!
     
  11. ThatBoyNick

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    Bernie's Sanders character questionable... no, it's not. He's oddly, near-angelic for a politician over his insanely long career.

    Bernie treated Clinton with wayyy more respect then she deserved. That's really a silly take. He endorsed her pretty smoothly considering what her party and the DNC did to him. Hell, just compare how smoothly he endorsed her compared to Hillary's endorsement of Obama.

    Bernie is definitely in the mainstream for the American people, the mainstream media just doesn't like him, nor corrupt members of the DNC.



    Man Deck, this just seems like a terrible way to look at presidential candidates to me.

    Bernie has pretty much set the entire foundation for the discussion within the primaries with his campaign from the last election. Bernie holds Democratic values truer than just about the entire democratic party. Are you for whoever just has the Democrats label, or are you for the person who will deliver the best on Democratic values?

    If Bernie was an independent who flip-flopped on Democratic values, I'd be 100% with you Deckard... but he isn't. In fact, he's been miles ahead of Democratic party on democratic values his entire career. Not only on workers rights, economic values, but the same with discrimination.



    21 year old Bernie being arrested for protesting segregation[​IMG]

    Ageism in this context to me falls close to the same line as sexism and racism, which is meaningless and wrongful discrimination, Bernie for all we know could live to 95 and serve two fantastic terms. Denying him this opportunity based on his age is just flat out wrong.

    What matters is if the candidate is capable - (he clearly still is currently), and the best choice for the job, what matters is if the candidate will fight for the values and policy's you care for, not party labels, age, sex or ethnicity.
     
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    He had a reason to be a sore loser and he has been proven correct.

    The party was in the bag for Clinton. She lost cause of her negatives not Bernie
     
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    Trump follow with a tweet, you are welcome!
     
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    The more candidates the more $$$ to stimulate the economy the sooner the better!
     
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  15. Major

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    And this is Bernie's problem with the core of the Democratic party.
     
  16. Major

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    Hillary was certainly a sore loser as well in 2008. Bernie endorsed her after making personal attacks on here that can't be undone. Unlike other Dem primaries (even 2008, which was relatively ugly), Bernie said she was not qualified to be President and was trying to steal the election from him. You can't walk those things back with an endorsement.

    He's really not. It's this kind of tunnel vision of thinking by Democrats in general that everyone in the country thinks the same way as you that got Trump elected.

    She certainly ran a terrible campaign and had plenty of negatives on her own. Nevertheless, she lost by less than 1% in WI/PA/MI - places where disaffected Bernie voters were strong and where you had many Bernie-Trump voters. His *true* support of his party and his values would have kept those people in the fold and won the election, but instead he played into the GOP narrative about her (corrupt, etc). As a result of btiching and whining his way to the convention, regardless of your thoughts on Hillary, he cost his party generational control of the Supreme Court. You can see why actual Democrats and people who believe in liberal policies - as opposed to Bernie fans - would have problems with him, especially given that he refuses to even be a member of the party he tried to represent.
     
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  17. Astrodome

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    Being a white male will not help his chances to win this party.

    As far as selecting a younger VP, is Hillary available or is she running again?
     
  18. dobro1229

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    I have very few qualms about Bernie himself. Its his Bernie or bust BernieBros who are ridiculous & the Russian trolls who use him on social media etc. to try and drive a wedge between the Bernie Bro's and normal everyday Democrats & Independents who lean liberal.

    I give Bernie credit for running as a Democrat, and I know he'll support the Dem candidate like he did with Hillary. I would just like for him to shed some of his ego that I think really savors the diehard support he has with some, and find a way to get those BernieBro's in line to stop with the messiah complex & support the greater good.

    If an Amy Klobachar wins the primary, I guarantee you alot of those Bernie Bros will be a problem for the party, and will REALLY help Trump get re-elected. Bernie has to understand this issue, and do a little bit more even though he still does alot, and did in 2016. He just needs to do more to prevent this from happening.
     
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  19. Anticope

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    Considering that Biden and Bernie have been 1-2 in nearly every Democratic primary poll so far, it shouldn't be too long before this narrative falls apart. Of course, that narrative not actually being true doesn't mean it won't continue to be repeated by the usual suspects.
     
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  20. Astrodome

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    It was one of the rare times I agreed with something on MSNBC. It seems to make sense but you may be right. Thanks for the response.
     

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