Yeah, medical insurance is no good for "American's quality of life" Free college is also no good American's quality of life" . I guess having sub -minimum wage folks cut your grass, serve your food, watch, your kids etc. is good for your quality of life and that of the " rich Mexican Industrialists you claim to eat lunch with" Even your cartoonish hero Alan Greenspan admitted that his 40 years of liberrtarian idoelolgy wrt to the stock market had failed. Keep reading The Fountainhead or whatever.
At least Bernie is the real deal, you know he generally wants to help people in this country. I can't say that about Trump, he seems to be more concerned with his perception than actually running the country.
I like a lot of Bernie's policies but I don't see them as financially feasible especially if a recession is looming. I still try to give Trump the benefit of the doubt since he is the president but he is who he is.
[Educational Post] I truly lament the fact that I have to break this news to you, but the healthcare and college is not "free". Someone pays for it -- the taxpayer. And furthermore, when something is free, it is over-consumed. Access and service quality will naturally decline when this is the case. And the system collapses on its own weight when you have too many consumers and not enough payers. Incentives are poorly aligned as well, as the financial rewards decrease, which leads to low productivity and lack of innovation. This is why Bernie has such low support -- there are too many educated people who understand that his socialist fantasies have been tried and failed over and over again. Below is a long term graph of the stock market. It is working fabulously and creating wealth for the American people over the long term. Put simply, you are clueless and ignorant of history, not to mention basic economic principles. GOOD DAY
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/new-hampshire/ 538 tracks all the polls they can find for every state. I think the Warren love was coming because she was generally performing better in polls prior to that one. Change Research had done 3 polls in late June-early July where Sanders led the 1st two, but Warren led the last. This was the 1st poll as of late that showed Sanders leading. Big thing, looking at all the polls they’ve tracked in The state, is that it looks like the race is wide open. I have a feeling Sanders May end up winning, but it won’t be the trouncing that he gave Hillary last time.
You are correct: healthcare is not free. Under Bernie's plan, it will be paid for via a progressive tax, meaning that wealthy people will pay more than poor people. Most people hate going to the doctor or to the hospital, and medical procedures and tests have to be approved by the doctor anyway, so I don't consider that to be a major concern. We can look to the experience of the many other countries that do have single payer healthcare where this is not a major problem. There are many other developed countries that do enjoy single payer healthcare, and their healthcare costs per capita are significantly less than those in the US (about half), and their outcomes are also generally better than the mess we have right now. Yes, they all have some problems, but their healthcare systems are generally quite popular & people would not trade their system for our dysfunctional one, where tens of millions are not covered at all and many others are not covered adequately or where people have to choose between food and medicine. Healthcare costs are the leading reason for bankruptcy in this country. More than one study has indicated that Bernie's version of Medicare for all will actually save money in comparison to the current system. The problem is that the financial incentives of the current healthcare system are massively misaligned; the insurance companies are driven by the profit motive. Their business model is such that they make more money when they deny patients treatment.
Good Bernie interview. So much better than the 45 second sound bites at the "debates" or silly short gotcha questions of most journalists.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...iews-plan-to-cancel-all-past-due-medical-debt Bernie plans to eliminate all medical debt.
With a possible recession on the horizon I don't see how the hell that's gonna happen. I love Bernie but he has to understand that you must take baby steps on these things. I would start with Medicare for all and then maybe 10 years later you could work on college tuition and medical debt...hell even that's a stretch.
I like that California passed universal free community college. It's considered cheap as it is, but for the extreme poor, every dollar counts Lol Bernie Man dreaming up ideas to separate himself from the pack. You only get to do that if your original ideas were actually working or even voted on
This is a great start. Its much more practical than "free university" and "cancelling all student debt". I would like to see the word "degree" be spread out into more meaningful terms. A white collared 'degree' is much more different than a blue collared 'apprenticeship' or a hobby related 'BA'.. They all have their value in society. However the idea that you have to have a 'formal education' on art is absolutely ignorant.
Yeah, I think an appreciation for art that isn't consumed as mainstream entertainment is extremely lacking in society and in our workplace. At its best, it forms bridges to the human condition between distant strangers. At its worst, you get the pretentiousness and grossly inflated barriers of entry
He's being principled. He believes health care is a human right and should be covered with our taxes, it would kind of be odd for him to not cancel medical debt if that's what he believes. Same with college tuition / and student debt. Same with legalizing mar1juana / releasing non-violent offenders He doesn't "dream up ways" to separate himself from the pack, he just isn't thinking from the mindset of playing politics in the way everybody is used to in American politics, which clearly leaves many confused and laughing at things they probably agree with, saying things like "well lets get A done before B so we can get what we really want 10 years from now". He's just running on what he believes the be the correct moves for the country, which usually naturally puts him ahead of the pack, like he's been his entire political career. I believe the number thrown out for canceling medical debt would cost 80 billion total, I believe our nearly 700 billion annual military budget increased by 82 billion from 2017 to 2019.
It's an admirable goal in principle. I just don't respect Bernie as much as I used to because of his uncompromising me first attitude. I also don't respect the followers who stayed home and paved the way for Trump. The entitled "I don't want to get my hands dirty" "all or nothing" attitude really got us far...It's why politicians still and have not payed much attention to voters under 35. Much easier to make deals with Madison Avenue than a bucket of disorganized grassroots leaders cat herders with short lasting barks and no bite. Maybe that's why the Right is fascinated with AOC... That said, Bernie is still a thought leader in progressive politics. The danger in not making deliverable claims is how it distances moderates even while it rings in the more extreme members of the left. Consider this his "wall". If you build up the potential of too many fake walls, your house of cards will collapse with a whisper. 87 billion is a nice "manageable" number, but once debt relief is in play, how much of that estimated 3.3 trillion in healthcare costs will people let go and let someone else pick up the tab? I'm starting to bald. I want the Lebron treatment. Give me another kidney. Are pets considered? He's an online certified therapy dog and everyone considers him family. Yeah, I'd rather socialize the whole damn system than this flimsy stopgap.
Bernie has a "me first attitude"? No, he doesn't. Can't say I'm anywhere close to understanding this portrayal. Lol his supporters who stayed home or swung their votes didn't pave the way for Trump. Hillary sucking paved the way for Trump. This will always be one of the worst arguments I've heard. A candidate has to EARN their votes, she didn't get the job done, she failed to address key problems, she failed to inspire. It's the equivalent of me saying "Damn those Dem primary Hillary voters, for handing Trump the election!" ...for Bernie not winning the primary.... because see, I personally believe Bernie would have won against Trump in the general...I mean this would somehow be a fair argument in your political mind, right? This could really be all the Hillary voters faults. Think about it, If I can shame enough people into voting for a candidate they don't actually want to vote for, I can get the candidate I want to be elected... elected! Tis all so simple really. How do you know he won't deliver, why aren't his claims deliverable, and what is "fake wall"? Do you know what has 100% been proven to have failed in delivering against Trump? An ultra moderate, non thought leading, non progressive candidate. It's stunning that nobody remembers this. What the hell is this lol? Are you pretending like this wouldn't be alongside a single-payer, universal healthcare system like Bernie has been talking nonstop in the mainstream media for about for like 5 years? Like perhaps he'd just forget all about that, and his plan is now to just keep our current Obamacare system, and have it to where everybody just leaves a debt that the Gov pays? That's actually a genuinely funny attempt of a takedown of this plan, I applaud you for the creativity, you should really patent the thought before fox gets ahold of it.
I haven't kept it a secret in hating Hillary. It's not the equivalent. Hillary was the Dem candidate. Even if she delivered 25% of what she promised to Bernie for his endorsement, that's 25% more than what you have now. Plus, Sanders would have a helluva lot more clout and power under Hillary's admin to do actionable things rather than promise grandiose ideas for more campaign funding. But that won't happen because his m.o. has always been the dissenting vote/voice. So what among Bernie's ideas do you have now with Trump? Decent to great governing is different than campaigning. It's less about the promised ideal and more about delivering real actions. Al Gore lost the nation by 550 votes. He got Nadered. Hillary had no excuse of a wedge third party with a similar platform. She lost by around 80k votes. Did the slow drip from wikileaks hurt Hillary and made people wish she'd disappear? Oh hell yeah. Was it worth sitting on your ass with a SCOTUS vacancy on the line? Let's stew that over with a bong hit! I dunno. He's one of the longest serving Congressmen (house/senate combined), hasn't gotten much passed under his name, is hitting 77 while the avg life expectancy for the average American male is 78. It's a grandiose promise like Trump's wall that most of his voters don't really think will happen. I'm not the one who compared the cost of one line item of Bernie's total plan to the entire Defense Budget. How much does Bernie's entire plan cost vs the American military budget? How much does each of Bernies ideas cost so someone like me can pick n choose? If you were a used car salesman, do you think you could compare a sound system upgrade of your car vs the entire cost of another car? I'll give you a freebie and suggest you not trot that 80 billion dollar comparison on Fox.
Again, 100% Hillary's fault. She has to earn her votes like everybody else. Voter shaming is one of the worst talking points I've seen. Hillary, nor the Dem party has the right to anyone's votes. Also, I don't smoke? What's with the repetitive weak shots at young people, entitled? Bong hit, "I don't want to get my hands dirty"? You got an old man yelling at kids to get off your lawn vibe. This is another form of voter shaming. Your talking trash about young people for not voting, perhaps you should be talking trash about our political system for not successfully pulling them into the political system. You have an odd mental make up about all of this to me. Bernies only one man, there is only so much you can accomplish as a single congressman. As a president, with his explosion as a household name in American politics within the last 5 years, with his proposals being extremely popular, he'd have much more power to make changes. I'm not saying it's not possible he's stonewalled by Congress, that can definitely happen as with any candidate, but don't for a second believe he wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail, harder then any other candidate would to accomplish systematic improvements for the people of this country (with his plans). Well I guess you're going to back away from trying to say Bernie would wipe the medical debt while keeping Obamacare lol. I didn't compare it to the entire military budget. I compared it to only the INCREASE of the military budget over the last 2 years. 80 billion is a one time fee, the military budget is annual. My point was, why is it that we have endless money to throw at our already insanely large defense budget, why is it that no one blinks an eye when we increase the budget by 80 mill annually over 2 years, no one has any questions of why or where the money will come from, the increases was completely bipartisan... yet when Bernie wants to talk about something as major as wiping the burdon of medical debt for the american people with a one time 80 mill bill... its framed as "LOL pie in sky, it'll never happen, where would the money come from" talk.
The right are desperate to paint Bernie as a radical socialist, when the ideas he has are pretty much accepted all over the world. Bernie is more of a centrist than a leftist..... DD
Old man vibes is understandable. I’d rather have 25% of Bernie’s promises than Zero. You can scream bloody murder of Hillary “stealing the primaries” despite the fact that Bernie started as an independent and forced his way into the DNC process. Bernie conceded and threw in his support for Hillary in the end, only to be booed by his own supporters. Is it only the “get off my lawn” types who are disturbed by that? Hate to break it to you, but “earn my vote” is only a decent excuse when you still vote in the end. Some people neither have the choice nor privilege due to voter suppression. As for the rest, you display an understanding Bernie isn’t a king by decrees if he wins, but is satisfied with President Bernie trying. I truly wish you all the best on that.
