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[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. glynch

    glynch Contributing Member

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    . I was really not trying to convince Major, just confronting a false statement by Major who usually is pretty careful with facts. Ok, his statement was not stupid, just uniformed. I provided a cite to inform him that Sanders has detailed how to pay for Medicare for All.
    Another good cite for those interested in facts is: http://www.pnhp.org
     
  2. NewRoxFan

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    I am neither a Sanders nor Warren fan... but Sanders "Warren is corporate wing" claim seem really out there...

     
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  3. DonnyMost

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    This is what a lot of conservatives deal with every day, FWIW.
     
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  4. glynch

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    I read a good piece by Naomi Klein on the Warren vs Sander's issue. What is important is that between them they are starting to outpoll Biden the consensus corporate Dem. Many Bernie supporters would like a Sanders-Warrant ticket. I certainly would. I assume some Warren supporters would like a Warren-Sanders ticket.

    My understanding is that Sanders only ran against Hillary in 2016 when Warren refused to do so. He felt that the status quo needed to change and I think it is clear he was right as virtually all the Democratic contenders now give at least lip service to the issues he raised. Sanders and Warren have worked together for years on issues.

    Warren's refusal to take on Hillary and her refusal to endorse either Sanders or Hillary when the race was still in the balance are the principle reason why I feel Sander is better, at least initially, to take the bold leadership in the struggle against the corporate elite to save the planet, get a better deal for ordinary Americans and end immoral, wasteful regime change wars.
     
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    The left eats itself.

    The purity spiral is nothing new.
     
  6. Os Trigonum

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    Sanders campaign workers demand minimum wage:

    Unionized campaign organizers working for Sen. Bernie Sanders’s presidential effort are battling with its management, arguing that the compensation and treatment they are receiving does not meet the standards Sanders espouses in his rhetoric, according to internal communications.

    Campaign field hires have demanded an annual salary they say would be equivalent to a $15-an-hour wage, which Sanders for years has said should be the federal minimum. The organizers and other employees supporting them have invoked the senator’s words and principles in making their case to campaign manager Faiz Shakir, the documents reviewed by The Washington Post show.

    Sanders has made standing up for workers a central theme of his presidential campaigns — this year marching with McDonald’s employees seeking higher wages, pressing Walmart shareholders to pay workers more and showing solidarity with university personnel on strike. The independent from Vermont has proudly touted his campaign as the first presidential effort to unionize its employees, and his defense of the working class has been a signature element of his brand of democratic socialism and a rallying cry for the populist movement he claims to lead.

    Details about the negotiations between Shakir and the union representing Sanders’s campaign workers have not been publicly reported until now. A review of emails, instant messages and other documents obtained by The Post show that the conflict dates back to at least May and remains unresolved. The documents were provided to The Post on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the private talks.

    The Sanders campaign late Thursday issued a statement lauding its union contract. “We know our campaign offers wages and benefits competitive with other campaigns, as is shown by the latest fundraising reports,” Shakir said. “Every member of the campaign, from the candidate on down, joined this movement in order to defeat Donald Trump and transform America. Bernie Sanders is the most pro-worker and pro-labor candidate running for president. We have tremendous staff who are working hard. Bernie and I both strongly believe in the sanctity of the collective bargaining process and we will not deviate from our commitment to it.”

    It was unclear when or whether Sanders had been made aware of the situation.
    more at the link

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...46e594de5d5_story.html?utm_term=.bf0209b2bf0f
     
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    This will be interesting.

    Sanders should practice what he preached but if the wonderfully want him elected they should know that their pay is a drain on him maximizing his operation.
     
  9. dachuda86

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    glitch about to come in firebranding to defend his avatar.



    lol why is 15 such an attractive number? Why not ask higher... ask for 20. This 15 an hour stuff has been around forever. Inflation has made it a small ask.
     
  10. BruceAndre

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    To me, there are two important aspects of this story:

    1) Liberal/socialist politician fails to walk-the-walk, ie, does not do in his own personal life what he calls upon the nation to do in its public life; ie, hypocrisy

    2) Young people, usually left of center, demanding that whatever activity they are engaged in "pay a living wage," regardless of whether the market is actually demanding said activity.
     
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    Sounds like this is more on union leadership than it is about Sanders being a hypocrite.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/49714/bernie-sanders-plans-cut-staffers-hours-pay-15-ashe-schow

    But this also means his campaign has become an example for the pitfalls of his policies. His campaign’s union contract resulted in a flat annual salary of $36,000 for field staffers. In a normal 40-hour work week, that would pay about $17 per hour. But some staffers say they work up to 60 hours a week, meaning their pay ends up being about $13 per hour.

    To combat this, Sanders’ campaign will now limit staffers’ hours to ensure they are paid at least $15 an hour.

    “We look forward to continuing those discussions and obviously are disappointed that some individuals decided to damage the integrity of these efforts before they were concluded," said Sanders campaign manager Faiz Shakir in a statement to Newsweek. "As these discussions continue, we are limiting hours so no employee is receiving less than $15 for any hours worked."

    Shakir also told Newsweek that the campaign had offered to give filed organizers a raise – to $42,000 annually, but the offer was rejected because staffers would have had to work six days a week. That salary also would have forced them “to pay more of their own health care costs,” Newsweek reported.
     
  14. RayRay10

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    According to this article, Bernie’s payouts are less than his competitors. Beto seems to be very generous to his staffers.

    https://m.greenwichtime.com/news/ar...grees-with-a-15-minimum-wage-for-14111742.php

    Sanders field organizers make an annual salary of $36,000, and regional field directors make $48,000 annually, according to an agreement reached between the union and the campaign in early May. Sanders campaign interns are paid hourly and make at least $15 an hour.

    According to a draft proposal union members were preparing this week, field organizers were estimated to work 60 hours a week at minimum, dropping average hourly pay to less than $13.

    On May 17, Shakir recommended raising the pay for Sanders field organizers to $42,000 annually and changing the workweek specifications, according to an email he later wrote to staff. The union draft indicated Shakir was seeking to extend the workweek to six days.

    They rejected his offer, because the raise would have elevated field staff to a pay level responsible for paying more of their own health-care costs, according to the union draft.

    The union draft asked for $46,800 for field organizers and $62,400 for regional field directors. It also sought coverage for 100 percent of the health-care premium costs for employees making $60,000 a year or less.

    Under the current arrangement, the Sanders campaign the pays all premiums for salaried employees making $36,000 or less per year. Those making more are covered at a rate of 85 percent.

    Biden's campaign pays 80 percent of health-care premiums, Bates said. Biden's campaign workforce is not unionized.

    In a Friday statement to The Washington Post, Sanders said he was "very proud" that his was the first presidential campaign to unionize workers and said that "through that framework, we are committed to addressing concerns in good faith through the bargaining process."

    Other presidential campaigns have revealed some details of their compensation structure in recent days. Field organizers working for Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., who also organized a union, make $3,500 a month, according to the Warren campaign, which works out to $42,000 a year.

    The campaign of Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, said its organizers are paid $3,500 a month and work 50-hour weeks, a rate of about $16 an hour. Former Texas congressman Beto O'Rourke's campaign said base pay for all staff is $50,400 annually.

    The Warren and Buttigieg campaigns said they pay full health-care coverage costs for their field organizers.
     
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  15. glynch

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    Tempest in a tea pot. Dailywire led by Ben Shapiro lol Oligarch sponsored press. Oh, Shapiro hates Sanders ?!

    Daily Wire

    https://www.dailywire.com/

    Led by the incomparable Ben Shapiro, The Daily Wire is a hard-hitting, irreverent news and commentary site for a new generation of conservatives.
     
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  16. DonnyMost

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    Conservatives disingenuously trying to score points off this is not surprising. They know as well as anyone that it's dumb if not infeasible for his campaign to handcuff itself by playing by a different set of rules than the rest of the field (and country for that matter).
     
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  17. Major

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    It was the union that went to media, as Bernie himself noted and complained about.

    And yet Bernie routinely calls out individual companies like Amazon or Walmart for not paying high enough wages, despite them paying the same as their competitors.
     
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  18. DonnyMost

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    True. But Amazon makes an astronomically larger profit than the Bernie Sanders campaign, Amazon workers are worked much harder/compensated less, and Amazon has significant more latitude vis-a-vis rivals.

    I get what you're saying, but most of the folks Bernie targets aren't exactly struggling to get by. The hierarchy of the Sanders campaign is a hell of a lot flatter and more fair than the companies he consistently calls to task.
     
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    Tell that to his union workers who broke the story.
     
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  20. DonnyMost

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    At least the union workers aren't trying to concern troll.
     

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