[Washington Post] Bernie Sanders to announce plan to guarantee every American a job

This is probably a "build the wall and have Mexico pay for it" type proposal; no matter if it isn't because mainstream Democrats won't support this. They lost a congressional majority twice on health care, which only got drastically more expensive in the intervening years.

 

There is a time for something like this. During the Great Depression, there was the WPA and that kind of thing makes sense. I don't think now is the time for something like this, though without more specifics I can't say for sure.

I like the idea of people who are getting govt. assistance and are capable of working for that money. It can help improve infrastructure all over and provide manpower to projects that need it.

Again there isn't much to talk about without the specifics.

 

Bernie won’t be paying the wages. The top 1% earners account for something like 70% of all taxes collected.
The top 10% account for something like 80-90% of all taxes collected. IRS numbers a few years back.
The rich will just pick up and move to Switzerland and retire. Us average to poor will have to pick up the tab.

Now I do feel A.I. or robots will be taking over all jobs, much like Steven Hawkins was claiming.
I’m not a communist or the watered down version called socialist....but this concern does need to be
addressed soon. I was thinging something like each household or person somehow purchasing
or having ownership in a robot......and the robot being taxed.

Owners would get slightly more profit.....outside mechanical insurance shared with public owner of robot, no human employee absences, no maternity leave, no health insurance, better efficiency or job performance
as humans are losing job skills such as “service with a smile”, etc.

Government gets slightly more taxes collected.

Humans slightly less pay. Will be required to stay active or participate in some wellness classes to remain
somewhat healthy. Pay for own health insurance/family.

Now I haven’t worked out the details yet.....I would leave that up to all the top minds in the nation. If you have
seen robots in videos performing complicated task, we should all be worried. It’s more then just McDonalds
experimenting with robot servers in select restaurants.



We will have to do something or we will all be jobless and no income.

 

This bill actually came really really close to passing during the Carter administration. If Carter had any understanding of how to manage relationships, it probably would have passed (along with some sort of single payer insurance). Even before Carter, Nixon had signed the Comprehensive Employment and Training Act which was a WPA/New Deal style program for government funded employment. The Democrats wanted to expand that and actually create a federal jobs guarantee. The jobs guarantee never passed because Carter couldn't figure out how deal making in Washington worked and Reagan killed CETA. But for a while we had CETA which was larger than anything we had previously had. This isn't a particularly novel concept.

In the 70s, we still thought government wasn't inherently flawed so this sort of legislation had pretty broad support. In areas with high unemployment, this stuff makes sense. But once Reagan convinced everyone that government was inherently flawed, the potential of this sort of legislation quickly died.

 

Considering the modern cost of living, $15 is quite reasonable for an hour of someone's time to do work.

If a small business can't be viable at $15/hr labor rate there is something wrong with that business.

 

Literally changes your life in no way whatsoever. In no way screws you.

Guess what happens when jobs get understaffed? Wages go up, because its in higher demand.

Minimum wage should be pegged to inflation.

 

That just shows that you have a child's perspective on the minimum wage.



All that is really done by raising the minimum wage is make those who make slightly more than the minimum wage, or who used to make more than minimum wage but less than the new minimum wage, poorer.

You in no way help ANYONE by raising the minimum wage. Even a little bit. At all.

 

I don’t want a “guaranteed job”, I just want to compete with fewer people. Immediate post-2008-recession seemed so brutal.

 

$15 minimum wage is a ridiculous suggestion


Bernine is like a left Ron Paul. Principled but some stuff is the over the top

 

Horrible and dishonest, preying on people to get elected? Sounds a lot like our commander in chief.

 

Bernie should throw a crooked hilary line and mix in a donald the hammer dennison there to get some traction. It sounds good on paper like flying cars or a wall that England will pay for. It's just simply not doable.

, farmers are giving americans $16 minimum wage to do farm labor. who knew farming labor could be so difficult. americans still don't want the jobs.
some jobs people just don't want. what do you do with the jobs people don't want?

 

Exactly the problem. Looking for a government handout, rather than looking for what they can do themselves.

 

I live in a city that's being phased to $15. It's currently at $11.25 and will phase to $15 in 2022. Also we don't have a tip credit to boot. We also have mandatory paid leave for all employees. And I live in a city that isn't on the West Coast so we're having large wage increases without the crazy West Coast cost of living. So far we're still alive, our economy is still doing just fine, etc.. The Chamber of Commerce even gave up fighting both pieces of legislation. The debate is settled here.

You may think its a pipe dream but I'm in a state that already has a near $10 minimum wage (that is indexed to inflation yearly) with a soon to be $15 minimum wage in its largest cities. It is quite feasible. We have a two tier minimum wage as smaller employees have the option of using a lower minimum wage but large employers have to use the higher wage. It's worked well thus far. I heard the same Republican fearmongering for years and predictions that the local and state economy would fall apart. Unemployment is still below 4% and wages are growing for those at the bottom.

 

Robots and AI, soon they will do the jobs people want to do as well.

The minimum wage hike will only have a short term gain for those people getting the raise. If high school drop outs are going to get 15 an hour, high school grads and other people with even more experience and education will demand more. soon people who were making 15 an hour will want to have 18 or 20 an hour, and we will see an cascading effect which will inflate the prices until a new equilibrium is established and 15 an hour wage will be getting close to the purchase power of today's minimum wage. What a better solution is have smaller increases but more often, not sure congress will do that though.

 

If the prediction for the future is correct and over 70% of the current jobs will be replaced by robots and AI, handouts is the only solution unless you want revolutions.

 

That's not a workable solution, is it? If you think it is, please explain how. Note: explaining that the 70% wouldn't have anything to do isn't explaining how that would work. In fact, it explains precisely why it wouldn't work.

And it wouldn't prevent the revolution, it would start it. What would you do if everyone on your block came to you and demanded you pay for everything for them? It would also create a huge wealth exodus. If the government here is going to implement this, most of those impacted would simply go somewhere else. Leaving everyone looking for handouts paid for by .... whom?

Your answer shows the problem. Yes, many of the current jobs are going away. So the people doing those jobs need to find new jobs, then. Not throw up their hands and demand handouts. This is nothing new. Same thing happened in the Industrial Revolution, and was everyone on handouts since then? No.

 

I'd probably stop wasting money on putting a bunch of useless military weapons in my yard and house, and give my needy neighbors a little something.

I would also stop giving my super-rich neighbors money and spend some of that on my more needy neighbors as well.

 

Yeah, it could never work.

 

We will see soon enough, hopefully after my retirement. This time the change could potentially change the fate of mankind, in case you have no idea how far AI have came.

 

I think people absolutely miss the huge significant difference between industrial revolution and AI revolution.