[Washington Post] Bernie Sanders to announce plan to guarantee every American a job

There are so many lazy people who do not want to work hard, and want to get something for fee.

You are so right, at this point, Trump re-elected chance is just high as Bill Clinton and Obama, there was a report from CNN yesterday.

 

I would speculate that those students in free college education program proposed by Sanders just talk, then party, then drinking, and have two kids before even having a degree.

 

That's how taxation works though. Public school education is "free" because all taxpayers are funding it by distributing the cost across all taxpayers. Sanders is arguing for the same concept to be applied to public higher education. I'm not necessarily in favor of "free" higher education but getting per-student funding levels back to what they were in the 80s is a reasonable goal that would help lower tuition.

 

There's nothing really wrong with the Scandinavian model (which is a lot more extreme in it's social engineering and tax schemes than anything FDR or Bernie Sanders ever proposed) it's just a matter of where your priorities are. Of course these things aren't free -- but it requires the social contract of a willingness to pay very high taxes to have those things. People eat out far less, drink less, and spend a lot more time doing things like hiking and playing sports and spending time with their families.

Quality of life surveys show that the Nordic nations are some of the world's happiest. I personally know several Danes who say the whole Janteloven culture that it springs from is overly collectivist, overly PC, stifles innovation, creativity, and entrepreneurship, and they'd happily trade places to live in Texas. To be fair though, I've never actually lived in Norway or Denmark, and they have never lived here. Grass is greener and all that.

Norwegian grad students get free tuition & > an $80k+ stipend yearly. There's no minimum wage, but due to strong collective bargaining there, the lowest 10% of incomes still average around $2600/monthly, with the top 10% around $9k/monthly. There's also the 37.5 hour work week, free childcare and health care, while only free for kids under 16 and pregnant women, is capped at a bit over $300 yearly. Of course, it has some of the most expensive cost of living on the planet, and as the University of Bergen told me when I was considering a PhD there, $20 for a local pint of beer and $45 for a pizza, and $8 a gallon minimum for unleaded gas in a country with vast oil reserves should give me an idea that my lifestyle wouldn't be that much better than a grad student anywhere else in Europe.

I ultimately didn't move there because it was a mandatory 6 month quarantine for dogs (and like $70-$80 a DAY out of pocket) and putting my geriatric PTSD-addled dog through that was a no-go even if I was a paid a million dollars to go. So, here I am at UT taking a class a semester while working full-time as staff outside of my chosen career field for less than half than what I used to make 20 years ago. I live in the poorest neighborhood in Austin in a bleak townhome I bought and upgraded over time to be less bleak with hard work and and trips to Home Depot. I pay extremely high property taxes (which rise 10% yearly) for city infrastructure that's about 20 years behind population growth and my entire financial security depends upon getting a good settlement from my lawyer in order to pay off the massive medical debt I incurred from an accident that wasn't my fault.

Am I better off? Maybe, since Texas is home and I like the people, food, and nature better than most places I've been, but probably not.

In any case, I see far more value in politicians discussing ideas to help the working poor or improving the nation's neglected infrastructure than in identity politics, Donald Trump, Russia, the 2016 election, or co-opting neo-con narratives about oil-rich countries in need of being "liberated." However you may feel about these things or the policy suggestions of Bernie Sanders, I would make the case that he does far more for the interests of his constituency than he does for the highest bidding special interest. As a senator among very few of either party, at least he's doing his ****ing job.

 

Somebody needs to design the robots, build the robots, create the automation, etc.. Or else they are freed up for service related jobs, which has been an ongoing trend in our economy since long before this automation issue arose.

I don't really see a difference here with the Industrial Revolution. That essentially was automation. Consider the cotton industry, one of the main ones impacted by industrialization On one end, cotton picking was automated. "The first pickers were only capable of harvesting one row of cotton at a time, but were still able to replace up to forty hand laborers. The current cotton picker is a self-propelled machine that removes cotton lint and seed (seed-cotton) from the plant at up to six rows at a time." Thus eliminating vast swaths of jobs...a few hundred with each picker. On the other end, looming was automated, eliminating most of those jobs. This is no different than automation today. In fact, it IS automation.

So, back to my original question.

 

I suggest you read up on AI and Robots and what are expected from these in the future.

 

I am not Mr. Socialist.

However it IS going to happen. Robots and computers are going to be doing a great deal of the jobs that humans are doing now, but at lower costs and with higher efficiency. You can already see it happening. It is starting to become popular in the service industries, and it will soon take place with truckers and those that drive buses and taxi's. That doesn't even include the continued decrease in manufacturing jobs.

There is no denying that the unemployment rate is going to skyrocket. We are not going to have 200,000,000+ unemployed people roaming the streets. This also isn't unique to the USA either.

 

Not opposed to the goal. It is surprising there isn't a HUGE national outcry over this. My first year in college, books were more than the tuition...I think it was around $250/semester. When I left four years later, it was around $2500...up 10 times in four years. It is now around $25,000 a year for in state public college, and $65,000 for out of state public colleges. Do you get a better education now than before? No. In a capitalistic market, prices should be decreasing, and quality increasing. The opposite is happening...and no one seems to care. Most families have to deal with this, so it is very arguably a MUCH bigger issue than health care costs.

 

Except with natural inflation, the poverty line between those 2 would have happened naturally, so that is unfair logic. Poverty line increases every year (almost).

2009 minimum wage raised to $7.25. Poverty line was $10,830 in 2010 (as it was in 2009). It is $12,140 today. It was a steady climb. The vast majority of the labor pool make above minimum wage. Raising it to say $9/hr wouldn't have a huge impact on the overall economy. More than doubling it though? That would be severe.

 

What schools are these? Tuition has shot up, but national average is under $10K per year for in state public university.

 

My cousin makes $16/hour as a greeter at Wal-Mart. He does have a college degree, but jeez. My wife only a few years ago was making $9/hour as an emergency room tech.

 

Yes, U.S income tax revenue. I believe the stat is actually top 20% of top wage earners accounting for nearly 80-90%
of taxes collected on taxable income. I said top 10%.

I believe you to be correct. Socialism has failed everywhere it has been attempted, with exception of probably
Switzerland. To live in Switzerland one has to be making a killing on tourism to the Swizz Alps. Or related
to someone making a killing on tourism. Thus the per capita is skewed outrageously. Unfortunately in
America there are no Swizz Alps in Tennessee or Missouri or Oklahoma or Indiana and so on and so on
bringing in big money to the people of those states.

European nations most recently are attempting socialism to no prevail. In France they kicked up the taxation
up to 75%......the rich bailed on them and fled the country in droves. Same thing will happen here.
Socialism take 75 cents for every dollar while the communists government take 90 cents of every dollar.
Garbage men make as much as a doctor or lawyer. Bleeds the people dry. Those countries need a host
to leach off of. America thru capitalism has been the host that keeps all the nations in the world afloat.
Maybe not directly.....but certainly in a round about way. If America turns to socialism, all nations will
struggle. No more adage: “When America sneezes, the world catches a cold.”

The entire world will be sick with a cold.....including the U.S.A..

The corrupt banks forced to give home mortgages to those unable to afford them and the housing
bubble has given capitalism a bad name. Easy correction is to monitor the bankers thru checks and
balances. Instead the media and some people want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Turn America towards socialism. Because Americans can make anything work, even things that
others haven’t been able to make work.....like socialism.

 

Yes, that's true. The $25k includes living expenses. Tuition is around $10k. My mistake. Point still stands, though. Tuition has been increasing at a rapid rate, when it should be decreasing, and quality of education hasn't increased commensurately. I don't think you get much better education now than you got years ago.

 

Yes, the cost for education is too high, so is the medical expenses, so free college education is even impossible. I do not know who will pay those students. The rich people clearly would not do it as their taxes got cut by Trump, the poor people just can manage their education barely.

 

Just lower all of the professors wages to 15$ an hour.

 

Exactly. Those numbers should be reversed.

 

I think giving everyone a job is great a idea. We can't have people just sitting around when the robots take over. It's bad for the soul.

 

professors are not the reason tuitions costs are so high. Universities have more than doubled their administrative positions whilst keeping the number of professors the same ( or even less)

 

It was a joke, hence the wink emoji.