[Washington Post] Bernie Sanders to announce plan to guarantee every American a job

I didn't suggest to get rid of all of them. I said stop spending money on the ones we don't need and new ones that aren't needed. When we can destroy the world many times over we don't need any more new nuclear programs, we don't need programs geared at fighting WWII style wars etc. We are far and away the most powerful military in the world. We should be geared at fighting terrorist groups gathering intel, surgical strikes etc.

 

The poverty line is fixed relative to average income. As average income rises, the poverty line will rise accordingly.

 

I don't disagree that we need to be very intelligent on what we spend money on militarily, and that we need to get better geared at fighting terrorist type engagements. But, that isn't really the problem we were discussing, which was what will happen if automation takes all the jobs and we have the few supporting the many (which, btw, eliminating defense jobs will just make worse)...and what would happen if you had to support several of these families, not a little, but completely, and forever.

Ahhh, you can't contradict my response, and yet I am the one who needs to read up. Interesting. Apparently, then, all this reading imparts no knowledge. Good to now, but doesn't support your reply.

 

I think you meant "to no avail." In any case, it sounds like you actually know very little about Europe. You live there? Visited? Which countries? Germany has a balanced federal budget, with very strong unions and high taxation. Northern Europe and Scandinavia are beautiful countries, free democratic republics that consistently rate in various economic "happiness" indexes as the best in the world. Garbage men making as much as doctors and lawyers? Link? This just sounds like boilerplate fact-free talking points.

We've been hearing the socialism slippery slope trope for about two generations now... still waiting for the data to back up those claims.

 

I'm a Democrat and have been for years and I have some wishes for my party. New leadership. I want Pelosi to retire, like yesterday, before she is forced out. I don't want to hear another comment from Hillary about the 2016 election for at least the next 5 years. The last one? I am sick to death of Bernie, with the grandiose plans he trots out from time to time that amount to little more than hot air in a bid for attention, in my humble opinion. It's past time to shake up Democratic leadership. Way past time.

 

Google French 75% supertax. Read a couple of pages worth.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/31/france-drops-75percent-supertax

If the USA crumples because of its 21 trillion dollar deficit. We will see how good the European economies survive.

Minting 21 separate trillion dollar coins would destroy the value of the dollar. Think Mexican Pesos. Not worth
the paper their printed on.

Explain why Britain abandoned the European Union? Brexit.

When Russia broke up they contracted Democratic strategist James Carville to help form a government system.
You would think he would have pushed Socialism/Progressive system. Wrong. I believe he went with a flat tax
system.

https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.c...urate-about-the-benefits-of-russias-flat-tax/

 

I'm thinking the military jobs will be some of the first replaced by AI. Just look at drones and the many possibilities there. I don't know the answer to the AI question. Like I said, I'm not sure a jobless society will be able to support the need for all that AI.

 

Here is another article on the French 75% super tax.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/frances-75-supertax-quietly-dies-few-mourners-055006058.html

I don’t have to visit or live in another nation to know that previous years of USA government have allowed
many nations to take advantage of the USA in lopsided trade deals. Many nations have made out like bandits.
Including the European Union.

Governments don’t make products. The USA government doesn’t make anything to sell, with the exception
of weapons. Thus the reason why the government sells older weapons, planes, ships, tanks.
Other than weapons, the government is dependent on its people which provide services and/or make
goods.

Whenever governments take over establishments and businesses.....they usually screw them up and get over
charged from those they contract out.

 

That picture in the article pretty much says it all

 

Racism and fear mongering. If that vote was held again today, Leave would get trounced.

I've run several searches and found zero hits pinning Russia's flat tax on Carville. Any links appreciated.

 

These are tired talking points. There are things the govt can run well and there are things the private sector screws up. Deutsche Bahn used to be German cliche of punctuality; now that they're privatized they're awful. Unlike you, however, I'm not arguing in false dichotomies, private capital and industry have an important place in society. As I've already stated earlier in this thread, speaking in false dichotomies and slippery slopes is political dialogue for kids.

Have an extended stay in northern europe. It's gorgeous. It's a great place to live. The right wing narrative that it's a socialist hellhole is total bull****.

 

Precisely one of the reasons I think many of the claims are over hyped. If so many jobs are eradicated...there won't be anybody buying the products the robots are making. There is a natural limit to such things.

As to the military, I was thinking more of the making of the systems than the using, but the military is moving to more automation. But the drones are more remote than automated...they simply took the pilot out of the plane and put him somewhere else. Eventually, though..yes.

 

I'm sorry, but I find it ridiculous that resetting the minimum wage to align with inflation essentially is considered back breaking. If a business can't survive without exploiting people then let it fail. Plenty of business are making margin enough to support labor being a higher percentage of their cost than it is now.

Many businesses already pay workers at that rate. And just because you can find someone to do a job at $10/hr doesn't mean that's good for everyone. Nearly any job that is critical to society from janitor to bus driver pay $15. Starbuck employees make $15 an hour. The only people who take less are high school students and immigrants. Paying someone $10/hr is exploitative.

Companies are exploitative - they will do what they can get away with. The idea that 100% free markets and greed is good as this guiding truth is not only foolery but it's dangerous.

You want to fix the system? You have a minimum wage. You have a safety net for anyone at least that works a job including free health care for anyone who qualifies for it because of their income. You get people educated. That's what will drive growth. Not some weird logic on payroll taxes.

 

What do you think about Beto, White, Valdez, Moser, etc....

 

We will agree that we disagree.

I don’t think the European Union is as strong as you lead to believe.

https://newrepublic.com/article/146524/happened-european-union

As this article notes, if Trump doesn’t support your precious EU.....look for drastic changes. Your false security
blanket will be pulled out from under you like the rug being pulled out from under you.

Those precious unions and pensions will hang around those nations necks like an albatross....much like
Greece and Venezuela. Which did not get the help of the U.S.A. in the end.

Can anyone say riots in the streets.

 

Would you say it would be 3:1 chance? Where have I heard that before?




Remain fear mongered far more than leave. The current anger is mostly about how incompetent the current government is at getting anything done.

 

Fear monger or reality check.

https://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/unitedstates

Anyone with half a brain knows the United States can’t continue at this pace. $ for Infrastructure is ok, but much of the fat will be cut. Socialist just take. A person can stick their head in the sand like an ostrich....doesn’t make the problem go away.