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South Carolina cop charged with murder in black man's death

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  1. CometsWin

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    Just goes to show what a joke the justice system is in this country. Cop shoots a man eight times in the back in broad daylight, on video, lies about it and you can't get a conviction.

    Mistrial for South Carolina Officer Who Shot Walter Scott

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/us/walter-scott-michael-slager-north-charleston.html

    CHARLESTON, S.C. — The trial of Michael T. Slager, the police officer whose videotaped killing of an unarmed black man staggered a nation already embroiled in a debate about police misconduct and racial bias in law enforcement, ended in a mistrial on Monday.

    Judge Clifton B. Newman’s decision to halt the proceedings came three days after jurors signaled that they were within one vote of returning a guilty verdict against Mr. Slager, who could have been convicted of murder or voluntary manslaughter in the fatal shooting of Walter L. Scott. But on Monday, in a final note to Judge Newman, jurors said that “despite the best efforts of all members, we are unable to come to a unanimous decision.”

    The outcome was disappointingly familiar to critics of police practices and conduct, and demonstrated the steep hurdles associated with prosecuting a police officer for a shooting while on duty. Although other cases involving claims of police misconduct have ended in mistrials and acquittals, few resonated as widely as this case in North Charleston, where Mr. Slager fired eight shots as Mr. Scott ran away.

    “The fight isn’t over, that was Round 1,” said L. Chris Stewart, a lawyer for Mr. Scott’s family. “We all saw what he did. We all saw what happened.”

    In a statement, Gov. Nikki R. Haley said: “Justice is not always immediate, but we must all have faith that it will be served — I certainly do.”

    Prosecutors said they would seek a new trial for Mr. Slager, who was fired after the shooting, and the Scott family expressed confidence that he would ultimately be convicted. Mr. Slager’s lawyer, Andrew J. Savage III, did not comment as he left the courtroom, where jurors had heard testimony for about four weeks.

    No piece of evidence was more central than a cellphone video, which a passer-by, Feidin Santana, recorded as he walked to work on April 4, 2015.

    The video began only after Mr. Scott fled on foot from a traffic stop for a broken taillight, but it was shocking and vivid. In the recording, the men engage in a struggle, and then, as Mr. Scott runs away, Mr. Slager raises his Glock handgun and fires. Mr. Scott falls to the ground. He was at least 17 feet away when Mr. Slager began to shoot.

    It was a sequence that jurors saw over and over, and the sound of the gunshots repeatedly pierced the courtroom.

    On Monday, the existence of the video, and its inability to lead to a conviction, fueled much of the furor and frustration about the trial’s resolution, incomplete as it was.

    “It saddens me, but I am not shocked,” said Howard Friedman, a civil rights lawyer and the former president of the National Police Accountability Project. “The fact that out of 12 people you would find one person so prejudiced in favor of police is saddening, not shocking, because I know that kind of prejudice in favor of police is out there.”

    In Missouri, where an August 2014 police killing in Ferguson spurred both peaceful protests and unrest, State Senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal said the outcome in Charleston had left her “hopeless.”

    “When you have the video that shows that Walter Scott is running away and still you have a mistrial?” Ms. Chappelle-Nadal said.

    Here in Charleston County, investigators at first believed Mr. Slager when he said he had been attacked. But Mr. Santana’s video, which emerged within days of the shooting and provoked international outrage, made Mr. Slager a pariah to many in law enforcement, an anomaly of policing who strayed far from his duties and oath when he opened fire and, prosecutors contended, tried to stage the scene to make the shooting appear justified.

    “Our whole criminal justice system rides on the back of law enforcement,” the chief prosecutor for Charleston County, Scarlett A. Wilson, said during her closing argument. “They have to be held accountable when they mess up. It is very, very rare, but it does happen.”

    Ms. Wilson acknowledged from the beginning of the trial that she thought Mr. Scott had contributed to his own death by running away.

    “If Walter Scott had stayed in that car, he wouldn’t have been shot,” Ms. Wilson said. “He paid the extreme consequence for his conduct. He lost his life for his foolishness.”

    Ms. Wilson’s concession, which she made during her opening statement, was something of an effort to immunize the prosecution from a theory that the defense advanced throughout the trial: that Mr. Scott had acted in ways that made Mr. Slager fear for his life. In his closing argument, Mr. Savage said Mr. Scott had left the officer with little choice after he “made decisions to attack a police officer.”

    “Should he have assumed that an unarmed man would have attacked a police officer?” Mr. Savage said of Mr. Slager, who he complained had been made a “poster boy” of police misconduct claims because of disputed killings elsewhere in the country.

    Mr. Slager pressed a similar argument when he testified that he had felt “total fear” and “fired until the threat was stopped, like I’m trained to do.”

    The jury here had three options, besides deadlocking: a conviction for murder, a conviction for voluntary manslaughter or an acquittal. In South Carolina, a murder conviction can lead to a life sentence, and manslaughter carries a term of two to 30 years.

    Mr. Slager’s case and its outcome were virtually certain to revive the storm that surrounded North Charleston, a city of about 108,000 people, after Mr. Scott’s death. City officials, who agreed to a $6.5 million settlement with Mr. Scott’s family, have long insisted that Mr. Slager was an outlier.

    But critics argued last year and again on Monday that the shooting was a tragic result of an aggressive law enforcement strategy carried out by a largely white police force. Drivers and pedestrians faced frequent stops for minor violations, and the police increased their presence, especially in high-crime areas that happened to be predominantly black neighborhoods.

    The approach, community leaders said, eroded trust, and North Charleston’s Police Department is now the subject of a Justice Department review as part of a “collaborative reform process.”

    Another arm of the Justice Department is involved in a different legal battle against Mr. Slager, who has been accused in a federal indictment of violating Mr. Scott’s civil rights.

    But Mr. Slager will now also face a second trial in state court, and lawyers will undoubtedly consider the feedback that emerged from a jury that appeared bitterly divided during deliberations, which began on Wednesday. In a letter to Judge Newman on Friday, a single juror said he could not “in good conscience consider a guilty verdict.”

    The jury’s foreman, the panel’s only black member, said in a separate note that the group was mostly in agreement that Mr. Slager should be convicted: “It’s just one juror that has the issues.” The foreman also said: “That juror needs to leave. He is having issues.”

    But on Monday morning, the jury said in another note that a majority of its members were “still undecided.”

    Later, standing outside the courthouse on an overcast day, members of Mr. Scott’s family said they were not dwelling on a trial they had hoped would end with Mr. Slager bound for prison.

    “God is my strength, and I know without a doubt that he is a just God,” said Mr. Scott’s mother, Judy Scott. “Injustice will not prevail.”
     
  2. Rocket River

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    There is no expectation of Justice in this case

    Rocket River
     
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  3. rocketsjudoka

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    Meanwhile there is other news happening. Sometimes the Justice system does work.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/cop-michael-slager-faces-19-24-years-prison/story?id=51595376

    Ex-cop Michael Slager sentenced to 20 years for shooting death of Walter Scott
    Former South Carolina police officer Michael Slager was sentenced today to 20 years in prison for the 2015 deadly shooting of unarmed black man Walter Scott.

    U.S. District Judge David Norton made the ruling after saying he would follow sentencing guidelines to send Slager to prison for 19 to 24 years. The former officer could have faced life in prison. Norton ruled that Slager committed second-degree murder and obstruction of justice.

    It was an emotional day for both the Scott and Slager families. At one point Scott's mother looked the former officer in the eye and told him she forgave him.

    Walter Scott's brother, Rodney Scott, called the death of his brother the worst day of his life. Rodney Scott said he wants Slager to pay for his actions.

    Slager’s father, mother, sister and wife also spoke to the judge, begging for a lighter sentence. They talked about how Slager led a life of service and how upset they were after the shooting.

    The judge's decision comes after Slager, who is white, pleaded guilty to a federal civil rights offense.

    Slager shot and killed Walter Scott on April 4, 2015, while Slager was an officer with the North Charleston Police Department. Witness video that surfaced shortly after the encounter appeared to show the moment Slager fatally shot Walter Scott as he ran away. He was fired from the force after the shooting.

    Slager was charged in South Carolina with murder and pleaded not guilty. During the murder trial, Slager's attorney said his client shot Walter Scott because he was in fear for his life. In 2016, the case ended in a mistrial. The state retrial and federal trial were expected to take place this year, but instead, in May Slager pleaded guilty to violating Walter Scott's civil rights in federal court, ending the federal case against him and also resolving the state charges that were pending after the mistrial.

    The judge's ruling today followed several days of testimony, including from Feiden Santana, the witness who filmed the shooting.

     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    In fact, it almost always does. The times where it doesn't are very rare.
     
  5. edwardc

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    Former South Carolina police officer Michael Slager was sentenced today to 20 years in prison for the 2015 deadly shooting of unarmed black man Walter Scott.
    Hope he serves the whole time.
     
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  6. juicystream

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    Not nearly rare enough.

    Thank goodness for the cellphone video in this one.
     
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  7. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Not quite. Pleaded guilty to civil right violation and Judge sentenced accordingly. The first try resulted in a mistrial. Since there was no second try, we cannot know what would have happen. The point is, the defense was able to avoid a guilty verdict with "he was afraid of his life" defense. That actually worked once here and have worked numerous other times and will likely continue to work many more times in cases that aren't as clear cut as this one was. High bar to get a guilty verdict for a white officer shooting a black person.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    It's adorable that you make it a race issue for no reason. It's a high bar to get a guilty verdict for an officer that shoots someone because the rules are different for them than they are with normal people.....and the people they are dealing with are usually criminals to begin with so people are less likely to give them the benefit of the doubt.

    There's really no racial issue to be had here, but that won't stop some people from pretending otherwise just so they can keep certain false narratives alive.
     
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  9. Invisible Fan

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    Justice can be mostly bought. I wouldn't call that working, but I don't have a better, cost effective idea either.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    That is true, but there's nothing that can't be bought.
     
  11. Invisible Fan

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    With that in mind, all things being equal (in money), several studies have continued to outline a pattern of racial inequality in our justice system.

    If you can't hire a good lawyer, you can't plea correctly. If you can't plea correctly, it's up to the prosecutor who can be incentivized to go for harder convictions. Then there's the whole jury shenanigans that goes beyond the scope and effort of this discussion.
     
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  12. edwardc

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    You're starting to get it bobby it's not about color it's about injustice and the people not getting a fair shake with in the justice system check this story out .http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/07/mesa-...m-philip-brailsford-not-guilty-daniel-shaver/
     
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  13. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    High bar because of different rules for cop and because others are usually criminals. Yea dude, you just made my point on bias. No, it's not necessary about what you look like, but then it is about what you look like (criminals).
     
  15. juicystream

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    Half expected the officer to make the guy suck his dick.
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    Yeah....my point being that it doesn't matter your race, other factors are more important. If a black cop shots a white man, the black cop will get the benefit of the doubt and there will be a really high bar for any charges against the cop. Glad we agree.
     
  17. bobrek

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    It's ironic that police can get away with the "I acted this way because I was in fear for my life and under pressure", while suspects are supposed to act rationally and perform exactly as commanded while having an actual gun(s) pointed at them. Officers undergo training for that sort of thing. Generally, suspects don't.
     
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  18. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    As much as bad police behavior pisses me off, I think the acquittal is justified here.

    Dude put his hand where the cop couldn't see it, cop pulls trigger, guy dies.

    Same old story.

    That being said... we need to move the goalposts on this.

    Not being able to see someone's hands should not be an automatic authorization for use of deadly force.

    Police should be trained to shoot only when a threat to themselves to others or themselves is clear and imminent.

    It's a dangerous job. If that sounds like too much for you, go flip burgers.
     
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  19. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    No joke, right? Without that, this guy walks free.
     
  20. edwardc

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    I can only come up with one answer he is a cop so that blue shield has we have seen so many times before has only one color BLUE.
     

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