It depends on Porzingis health and recovery but its a discussion. Tatum is surely not clearly better than a healthy Porzingis. Anyway the Knicks have in total value better assets on offer. Ainge has had bad luck that the Kings are good and that Brown, Rozier, Hayward have been mostly horrible and Tatum has taken a step back.
so ur conceding that Prtzingis' many injuries make him less attractive and what are the assets the NYK have to offer?
Sure they make him less attractive than if he never had them. I think thats obvious. Lets see how he is when he comes back. Just because he had an ACL it doesnt necessarily mean he will be worse than before. However saying that all GMs would take Tatum over a healthy and recovered Porzingis is false. Its crystal clear at this point that because Tatum was an amazing rookie it doesnt mean he will linearly improve into a star. Its only his secind year but he already got worse. Very worse in shot selection. The Knicks assets are a top3 pick, Porzingis, Knox, Robinson, Ntilikina (spelling?) and their future first rounders. Just the top pick alone eclipses the Celtics assets sans Tatum. Plus its very likely that the Celtics will lose both the Clippers and Memphis picks this year.
Boston can still acquire AD immediately if Irving is traded because of the Rose rules. I think Angie would gladly settle for a PG who can complement Rozier adequately if AD agrees to join them. Tatum will probably be offered to the Pelicans too plus picks and a filler. Irving may not agree to re-sign with NOLA though. The Lakers can give Boston a big fight...
The only way the Rockets have a shot is if we work the back channels and get AD to demand a trade here. Which isn’t likely.
Its not like his previous agent was blameless. AD has been hailed a top5 player for years and years but who knows him from casual fans? He doesnt have a lucrative shoe deal or his own shoe. Even Paul George has his own shoe. Windhorst said thats the reason he fired his agent not because he wanted to go to the Lakers. Im sure Rich Paul has promised him a lot.
If AD goes to the Lakers, PG will probably be kicking himself. But then again, with the assets the Lakers have to trade, it would probably be one of the other but not both.
Spoiler "My first choice is to be in New Orleans. I just want to make sure we’re committed to winning. If we’re not committed to winning and trying to get better so we can contend with the Lakers, the Celtics and all these other top teams, then I’m open to being traded.'' Those were the words of Chris Paul nine years ago, and they might as well have been the words of Anthony Davis on Friday (Jan. 25), when his agent reportedly informed New Orleans Pelicans management that he wants out of New Orleans. The news hurts, but it should not surprise anyone in New Orleans. The Pelicans might not have expected Davis to drop the bomb so soon, but they most certainly were not caught off guard by his decision. Behind closed doors, they’ve prepared for this possibility since preseason. Owner Gayle Benson acknowledged as much last month when she said, “I want Anthony to stay. I like him. I want him to know we want him here, and that sometimes it’s better to be a big fish in a small pond. But if he wants to leave then you can’t hold him back. We don’t want someone that doesn’t want to be here. He’s still young and trying to figure out what’s best for him and his career.” Face it, this day was inevitable from the moment Davis signed with LeBron James’ talent agency, Klutch Sports, in September. Davis said all of the right things back then, how he loved New Orleans and wanted to make it work with the Pelicans, etc. But his actions spoke differently. Davis conspicuously started a national media campaign almost from the day he signed with Klutch and he openly flaunted his friendship with James. [...] So what now? Where do the Pelicans go from here? One thing is certain: The 2018-2019 has effectively been detonated. Whatever slim hope the Pelicans harbored of salvaging the year and rallying into contention in the Western Conference playoff race ended with Davis’ declaration. The season was rudderless before the weekend. Now the captain has abandoned ship. It’s over. The damage of Davis’ announcement, however, reaches far beyond this season. The club’s entire future is now up in the air. [...] The Pelicans struggled to garner interest in New Orleans with Davis here. Good luck trying to generate enthusiasm without him. The organization has reached a crossroads and faces a gargantuan dilemma. Davis has forced their hand. Like Paul in 2010, the Pelicans' only option now is to trade him and try to garner enough quality assets to commence the inevitable rebuild. The future of the organization hangs on this deal. Davis is a generational talent and normally would be worthy of a king’s ransom, but it’s more complicated than that. Extenuating circumstances limit his trade market. Opposing teams now know Davis wants out and can go anywhere he wants as a free agent in 2020. There will be only so many teams with the wherewithal to trade for him and the willingness to potentially mortgage their future in doing so. It’s a sticky situation. The Pelicans must act. But they must act prudently. They can’t afford a repeat of the Chris Paul trade debacle. The more pressing question for the Pelicans is this: Who makes that decision? The futures of Pelicans general manager Dell Demps and head coach Alvin Gentry are justifiably up in the air. It would be a major upset if either man survived at this point. Demps’ chronic inability to build a consistent winner essentially forced Davis to look elsewhere. Demps endured his share of bad luck along the way, but his personnel shell game lacked vision and reeked of desperation. The greatest indictment on Demps’ tenure is this: The Charlotte Bobcats/Hornets, the team with the best odds to land Davis in the 2012 NBA Lottery, have compiled a better overall record (240-300) than the Pelicans (240-302) in Davis’ seven-year tenure in New Orleans. It’s not coincidence that Isiah Thomas and Avery Johnson visited the organization while the Pelicans were spinning their wheels in December. Davis’ decision is an indictment on the Pelicans’ organizational leadership at every level. Having one generational talent force his way out of town is bad enough. But having two do it in the span of nine years is downright cruel. The NBA’s flawed business model certainly handicapped New Orleans’ chances of keeping Davis. But Portland and Oklahoma City have proven it can be done with the right plan and astute management. There’s a reason Damian Lillard and Paul George aren’t demanding trades out of their respective towns. No, this day didn’t have to come. The Pelicans had a chance with Davis. He is a unique talent, the rare superstar who doesn’t crave the spotlight or trappings of the big market. He grew to love New Orleans and at one time sincerely wanted to make it work here. But like most athletes, his competitiveness trumped civic pride. Like Pelicans fans, he’d had enough. And now the writing is on the wall. Davis is gone. And the only question that remains for the Pelicans is who leaves with him.
https://twitter.com/_Andrew_Lopez/ Alvin Gentry says there will be a statement later on issued by the team. Says he spoke to AD this morning and says Davis told him he plans on playing out this season. Gentry: “Spoke to the team and everyone understands the business. We approached today like any other practice.” Gentry says “you’d have to take that up with Dell and Mickey” when asked if AD would be moved before the trade deadline. Gentry says AD came in this morning and got treatment and a workout in. “He’s under contract. He’s a professional. ... he’s made it clear he wants to play.” Gentry: I don’t know why it’s going to be a distraction. It’s out there. Everybody knows. The guys know it’s part of the business. Gentry: We’ve other guys step up at leaders. Other guys are doing that. I think you’ll have that come out. Anthony Davis currently working out in the Pelicans’ weight room. Don’t expect to hear from him today but we can see him working out w Pelicans’ training staff. Jrue Holiday: “Anthony had to do what’s best for him. It’s business. ... he’s going to come in here and work.” Holiday says AD told him prior to the news coming out. “He’s a brother to me. We understand.” When asked when AD told him, Jrue said “a couple of days ago.” Holiday said AD is “like 90 percent” the reason I stayed in New Orleans. Anthony Davis did decline to speak with the media today. Possible we get him Wednesday prior to the game in New Orleans. But we'll see...
Right, we know his preference lol. He wants to go to LA. That's why he is doing this now. Trying to give LA every opportunity to make this happen.
Is that like the nice way of saying no one wants to go to LA & play with LerBon? But really, it's not like they're capped out, have to move a Ryan Anderson. Everyone is one one-year deals or rookie contracts. Too complicated?
Damn, must be a sh!tty day for Celtics fans. They passed up on PG, Jimmy, Kawhi etc specifically for AD. Their 5-year plan is collapsing right before our very eyes.
I think no one wants to sign as a FA in LA because no one wants to give up that final year and extra $, especially with the california taxes. LeBron is the one outlier because he makes a ton off the court whereas most 2nd tier stars do not. I think before no one really did not want to come play with Kobe, but i think now most players would love to play with LeBron but do not want to sacrifice significant money on their end to do so. Paul George certainly didn't and he was almost as close to a lock as possible. Trade is probably the most feasible way for them to get that second star (with their bird rights). Honestly though their big trade pieces (Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart) I would say regressed in their value than anything (esp Ingram and Hart). I think AD wants to play in LA with that 5 year/240M deal. Signing in LA two offseasons from now for 4 years/180 (or whatever it maybe) would not be as lucrative for him
this point was also made by ESPN's Ramona Shelbourne, who pointed out that both Giannis and PG are also from small markets, yet both have lucrative shoe deals, but not AD
