William Buckley- The American objective in Iraq has failed.

How many incarcerated? How many abused? How long has it been? How difficult are the circumstances?

I said it was minor and I said it was regrettable...

It's now a patty-cake world.

 

bolder than saying millions upon millions of iraqis are grateful?

bolder than saying abu gharaib abuses are only minor? i bet you get raped everyday thats why its just minor to you..

we if they haven't found it then its not there..

so where are the wmds now? secretly shipped to syria according to this general who is hawking a book?

 

If the guards only raped one, killed one, cut one person's throat, then I would say it was still more than minor. Of course there were multiple bodies in the new photos, so I don't know exactly how many it was, but like I said even if it is one that was done of each of those things it would seem to be more than minor.

 

even rummy and the defense department admit that there are many unreleased photos of rape and murder, even with children.

but thats all minor, right giddy?

 

I'm unhappy raining on your admirable idealism, but there are some 140,000 boots on the ground in Iraq, I think.

If we have 1,000 certified lunatics traumatizing prisoners in Iraq, that is less than 1/2% of all soldiers over there.

BTW, I don't think we have/had 1,000 certified lunatics traumatizing prisoners over there-- nowhere near that number.

 

A very textbook (literally - KUBARK ) CIA-run information extraction facility.

 

Ok the fact that there are a minority of soldiers engaging in that torturous, illegal, and oppressive behavior does make some sense. Of course under Saddam where there were millions of Iraqis, only a small minority were gassing their own countrymen, and torturing.

But it wasn't a minor occurence.

So the number of troops involved isn't what makes an incident or series of incidents minor or not. The seriousness of the incidents themselves is what makes it minor or not.

But even still it might not be so bad if it was just a few bad troops. Instead we go all the way up to the executive branch and we see Attorney General Gonzales writing memos that actually justify torture. Having the head of our Justice department taking plays from Hussein's playbook is far beyond minor.

 

makes me sad that TJ or bigtexx didnt reply to my post.

oh well maybe next time.

 

1963, huh? Bush was in junior high. Gonzales was in diapers. Cheney was shooting skeet at the University of Wyoming and Rumsfeld was writing for Jack Paar.

I thought all this horror was an invention of <b>this</b> Administration?

 

Well, see, that's the problem: Saddam viewed his own citizens as Enemy Combatants and treated them thusly. What a Leader!

 

Only in as much as they authorized it.

 

Exactly. It was wrong when Saddam did it, and it was wrong when U.S. personnel did it. It is just wrong period, and in no case is it minor.