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Where Does The Democratic Party Go From Here?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by BleedRocketsRed, Nov 10, 2016.

  1. Zergling

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    This was just one of those crazy election years. Sanders and Trump political movements completely changed the game. Words like "establishment", "status quo" became really negative buzzwords. Once that became the case, Clinton was absolutely screwed, and Obama campaigning for her would not help her get votes from those turned off by the status quo.

    But this won't last very long. All it'll take is a terrible 4 years under Trump and voters will be clamoring for "status quo" again. Be careful what you wish for Trump voters...

    There's a reason parties very rarely win 3 times in a row. Voters get bored.
     
  2. babyicedog

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    Carter anti-establishment too. Voters bored, but b/c of tRUMP, also stupid. You vote stupid, you are stupid. Very sorry, but the truth.
     
  3. Zergling

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    About 60-70% of Americans above the age of 25 are not college educated. Unfortunately, our country is full of morons. They can be easily brainwashed, but you need someone with charisma who can actually trick them. Trump could do that better than Clinton for sure.
     
  4. Dairy Ashford

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    Wikileaks is going to devour everyone and anyone in a position of prominence, don't be surprised if they branch out into corporations and celebrities in between election cycles, especially considering the lessened risk of retracing and criminal charges.
     
  5. Dairy Ashford

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    Just relax, Republicans will realize they wasted Hillary's unfavorables and could have had someone more competent and less reactive, they'll fix the problem come next primary or lose out on indie voters in those swing states and Pennsylvania.
     
  6. Corrosion

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    Just because you don't agree with the result doesn't mean the people who voted for Trump are stupid .....


    Just because an individual lacks a college education doesn't mean they aren't intelligent. There are other , often more important ways of learning .... There are plenty of idiots with college degrees.


    You guys sounds like you think you are the smartest guy in the room .... thing is , you are the only one in the place.
     
  7. glynch

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    The progressive Cenk Yugur of the Young Turks (TYT Network.com ; check it out) has a five point plan to revive the DEM Party. Cenk was one of the few who predicted a Trump victory in July. .. Also see Cenk on ABC. . Start at 8:05 to see his prediction.

    1) Fire everyone at the DNC. Hey it might already be happening. According to the media both Bernie Sanders and Chuck Shumer have proposed Bernie supporter Rep Keith Ellison to head the DNC,

    2) Have Bernie head the DNC. Apparently this is not in discussion and Bernie may not even want it.

    3) Insure that the next Dem Presidential candidate does not accept PAC and corporate money. According to Cenk 90% of Americans think that this is corrupting and this will show the public the Dems are serious about ending this legal bribery.

    4) Fight to get the money out of politics. "90 percent is a good number".

    5) Represent the people not the donors. Aww 3 and 4..
     
  8. Cohete Rojo

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    start here...democrats...think this person gets it...

    “Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics, and the establishment media,” ________ began. “People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids—all while the very rich become much richer.”

    “To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him,” ________ commented..."
    fill in the blank:
    Sanders
     
  10. No Worries

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    Howard Dean says Ellison can't do the DNC job and serve in Congress

    Howard Dean, who announced on Thursday a run to head the Democratic Party, knocked another contender for the job, saying Rep. Keith Ellison can't both serve in Congress and chair the Democratic National Committee.

    In an interview with MSNBC’s Stephanie Ruhle on Friday, Dean restated his interest in once again chairing the DNC. “I am very interested in the chairmanship of the DNC,” he said, adding, “Not so much because I think I'm the only person who can fix it, but I think we need a full-time chair.”

    Dean praised the Minnesota congressman generally, saying, “Look, I like Keith Ellison a lot. He's a very good guy. There's one problem. You cannot do this job and sit in a political office at the same time. It's not possible.”

    He said that Debbie Wasserman Schultz wasn’t the only DNC chair who also held political office, and that it just doesn’t work. “We have to rebuild from what has been a tragedy not only for the Democratic Party, but perhaps for the country,” he said.

    Dean recalled that when he took the job in 2005, the Democrats did not control either the House or the Senate, nor the presidency, and that when he left in 2009, they controlled all three.

    He also criticized the DNC under Wasserman Schultz’s leadership, saying, “First of all, they never should have taken sides in the race. I would have never permitted that,” and recounted that he “had to be the referee between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in 2008.”

    Dean said he has already spoken to Ellison, and plans to speak with Bernie Sanders, who has strongly backed Ellison for the job.
     
  12. glynch

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    Exactly Agreed.

    but this no reason to be all Ku Klux Klan about it or have folks like bigtexxx etc. who claim to be college graduates excuse disgusting racism like The Donald often exhibited..
     
  13. BleedRocketsRed

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    Dean actually did a fine job last time but obligatory:

     
  14. glynch

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    I used to have respect for Howard Dean, but the Clinton/Obama administration emasculated him and he has become one of the enablers of the corrupt DNC.

    Maybe Dean wants his his old job back as DNC head after Obama and Hillary took it away from him. Why not a peep from Dean when Debbie Wasserman was a Rep and the head of the DNC?

    I do understand Dean's disappointment-- all that ass kissing and he won't even have a spot in the Clinton Adminstration.
     
  15. No Worries

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    I like Dean. He punches above his weight.
     
  16. geeimsobored

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    I'm all for Dean. Ellison will be a mess.

    Keith Ellison is my Congressman. I might agree with him on most issues but he carries many of the same problems that DWS had. DWS poisoned the well at the DNC. She was divisive, difficult to work with, and polarizing. Guess who else shares those characteristics? Keith Ellison isn't liked at all in the Minnesota delegation. He's known as someone who blows a lot of hot air, distances himself from his natural allies in Congress and really does very little in terms of legislation and committee work outside of publishing Congressional Progressive Caucus material.

    I want a DNC chair who can help win elections. The DNC chair isn't really about setting policy priorities for the party. That largely rests on the candidates themselves. The DNC chair's job is to win elections. Dean did some incredible work when he was chair. He was the guy that pushed for the DNC to pay for campaign tools for all 50 states (including the states that Democrats just write off). Dean was the guy who invented internet and grassroots fundraising in 2004 and the guy who made it a priority at the DNC.

    So I want a guy who will help the Democratic Party win, not a guy who will create some of the same problems DWS created. Besides, Keith Ellison knows zilch about winning contested elections. My district is guaranteed to vote for a Democrat. The only question is who wins the DFL primary. I've actually worked with the DNC on elections and know several staffers. The DNC is like a mini company. It runs campaign activites year around and you need a leader who understands that and knows the processes necessary to maintain a party.

    I will be upset if Ellison becomes chair. He's done nothing to prove that he knows how to run a party. He's not liked by Democrats in Minnesota so I have no doubt he'll turn people off as DNC chair. And as a contrast, take Al Franken who's also a very progressive Democrat here. Al Franken is actually very well liked and respected nowadays. It's not the policy positions that separate them. It's demeanor, willingness to work with colleagues and an understanding of the political process. Even Republicans here will begrudgingly admit that Franken deserves some respect. No one would ever say that about Ellison.
     
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    Many on the left hate Cenk but the dude is always on point. He called this before many on the left even thought about it. He started calling for Trump to win the primaries as he saw that momentum grow. He also called that Clinton was a terrible candidate. He's always been fair, going after democrats whenever necessary (even as it gets more on the left against him) he went after Clinton hard for her scandals and it seems to got a lot of his fanbase angry at him...but he's been right. I get why people don't like him though, he's passionate and that rubs people the wrong way but it is hard now to argue about what he's been warning about for at least a year now. He also campaigned plenty for Bernie so if Bernie gets more of a voice Cenk may too, I'm not too worried about that.

    He's been right on every issue on what's been plaguing democrats (and republicans) and really all it came down to is that the GOP supported a populist candidate before the DNC did. Basically, people feel like the government doesn't work for them. Obama ran on this himself, that he was going to shake up Washington.

    All in all the country needs more honest politicians.
     
  18. glynch

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    I do agree mostly with Dean's work previously at the DNC, but it is strange that he was fired by Obama/Clinton when Obama won. Dean has since then looked like a Hillary/Wasserman/Donna Brazille type get along to get along guy who keeps switching positions to whatever seems temporarily popular. Like Brazille and Wassrman he is part of the old guard that screwed up so badly.

    Also it is interesting that both Bernie and Shumer two of the main powers in the Congress who represent the old partly discredited Clintonian/DLC wing and the new insurgent democratic socialist wing have agreed on Ellison if he is so ineffective and divisive.
     
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    No one can revive the rust belt in the near future, most of the jobs that left will not come back even if the factories come back. The jobs in the new factories will be to operate machines that are automated, so a factory used to take 1000 workers could get with two or three hundred, or they are not coming back at all. The truth is no one (not the Democrats or the Republicans) is willing to tell these people the truth. So in a few years democrats can ride the angry wave and get in office again, rinse and repeat.
     

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