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Where do you draw the line - Trans-OTHER

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by droxford, May 2, 2023.

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Where do you draw the line? Do you think we should accept and support...

  1. Transgender - people who believe that they are a different gender than their physical body.

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  2. Transracial - people who believe that they are of a different race than their physical body is.

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  3. Transspecies - people who believe that they are a different animal trapped in a human body.

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  4. Transage - people who believe that they are of a different age than their body's physical age.

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  5. Transabled - people who believe that they are a disabled person trapped in a non-disabled body

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  6. None of the above

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  1. droxford

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    Select the ones that you think should be accepted and supported socially.
    If you don't select all, explain why you would select one/some and not others.
     
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  2. Nook

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    Let it go - you already started the other massive trans-thread.
     
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  3. Buck Turgidson

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    I don't accept or support having 5 threads on this topic on the 1st page.
     
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  4. tinman

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    You forgot one choice
    @Xerobull
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  5. tinman

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    @Os Trigonum

    I remember Jeremy Lin fans religiously believe that Jeremy Lin was better than James Harden.
    Reality didn't meet their insanity

    Like I said, if you think you are Superman, then fly..
    @Rocket River
     
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    Depends on what "accept and support" means.

    I accept and support everyone's right to live the way they please.

    I don't accept and support people trying to force everyone else to pretend that their own subjective dysphoria reflects objective reality.
     
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    I have relatives that wish they could identify as American citizens. Transcitizens.
     
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  9. Buck Turgidson

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    It means give it a rest and let it go and talk about it if and when you can. Nobody would have ever cared, and this would have never been an issue, until people like you made it so.

    Yall complain about "people are putting it in out children's faces"...but you're the people actually involved in it.
     
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    All these confused kids need to listen to advice by Michael
    @Jontro
     
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  11. droxford

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    I created this separate thread because I don't understand how people accept and support transgender, but not transracial, transspecies, transage, or transabled.
     
  12. rocketsjudoka

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    I agree that it depends on what you mean by "support"?
    It also to this post what do you mean by "force"?

    Transgendered people exist so that is objective reality that there are people who identify with a gender other than their birth.
     
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    I don't remember if you or another person brought up someone that identifies as a cat. In this situation if someone wants to identify as a cat that doesn't really affect me and sure I can accept them wanting to be a cat. If in terms of support that means that I have to clean out their litter box or feed them, no I don't have to do that anymore than I'm obligated to take care of a stray cat or any human that I have no direct connection to either.
     
  14. droxford

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    If you met someone who identifies as a cat, and they want you to meow to them, would you?
     
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    It's one thing to "accept" that the person believes he/she is a cat, it's another to be forced to call the person a cat, and to possibly be sanctioned for not calling the person a cat ("miscatting" the person).
     
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    Don't know. When and if I do I will let you know. That said I don't have to "meow" at any cat that I see.
     
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    I'm also going to point out that these are the type of slippery slope arguements that were used against Same Sex Marriage. There were saying things like "What if someone wants to marry their dog or their shoe."

    This just shows that this opposition to trans is a continuation of the overall culture war.
     
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    I don't feel too strongly about 99.9% of trans-related discussions I see because none of these scenarios have ever come up in my life and I don't know if they ever will. That said, I do think the topic isn't so black and white. Lots of grey areas. I know I don't have the answers.

    As @rocketsjudoka pointed out, we don't meow to cats. I think better questions are:

    Should the trans-cat receive species-affirming care at a vet?

    Or

    Should the trans-cat be able to stay at a pet boarding facility with your cat?
     
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    So - trying to understand the perspective of others is "opposition"? Asking why you choose one thing and not the other is opposition?

    We all (including me) draw the line somewhere. I want to understand the viewpoints of others (whether I agree or disagree) when I make decisions on where I draw the line.
     
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