What We Now Know About The Men Who Led The Impeachment Of Clinton

I thought that whole impeachment was stupid.

Always thought Clinton was a cool guy. No idea why he got married to such an overly ambitious nerd.

Also:

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Okay....so what though? He was still guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice right? Guilty enough for him to be disbarred over the matter.

Is there really anyone who thinks that politicians on either side of the aisle are honest or strictly law abiding people? Does that mean that they shouldn't be punished for it when they get caught?

 

No less than in any other business, community or organization. Reflexively resenting or mistrusting authority actually prevents one from understanding, operating within and fully utilizing bureaucracies, and creates a self-fulfilling prophecy of disenfranchisement.

 

Clinton was impeached for perjury, which people get charged/convicted with all the time, and which he did do (he was disbarred for it).

 

OP, IMO, the October Surprise in 1980 was the turning point of congressional hatred against the office of the president. From 1968-1992 Republicans dominated the presidency. For a 40-year period from 1955-1995, Dems dominated both houses of congress. It was to the point I couldn't imagine the Dems ever losing a congressional majority while the GOP always held the trump card in presidential elections (save for Jimmy Carter's one failed term).

The October Surprise investigations were vicious and over-the-top. In my (short-sighted) view at the time, Dems didn't seem like they even cared about the presidency anymore since they weren't going to win it. Congress was their "permanent" base of power.

The public facade put on by the Clinton administration during the Lewinsky investigation was disgusting.

 

I say the same to both of you, I don't believe naivete benefits anyone. If you want to walk around believing that politicians....any of them, are actually looking out for your best interest over their own then you are setting yourself up for disappointment and failure.

It's one thing to support those politicians whose rational self interest leads to policies that you support, but if you really think that ANY politician is above corruption....I just don't know what to tell you.

The Clintons are horribly corrupt, so are those politicians who would seek to expose them, so are those politicians who support them.

 

As the result of a tangential, redundant line of questioning in a redundant, tangential investigation, and which the original plaintiff's consulting attorneys admitted was planted to eventually scandalize and sabotage the President.

 

Considering that's not what I said, I would certainly agree that you don't know what to tell me.

 

Ah, so now we're justifying perjury because the prosecutor was out to get him? Well why didn't you say so? I'm sure tons of people in jail for perjury right now would love to know that it's okay to lie under oath if it's to protect their image.

 

Bill Clinton lied under oath. That's inexcusable.

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nah, I excuse him, bygones.

 

The DNC incumbent resigned in the middle of the longest and most unpopular war in the 20th century, their frontrunner was shot in a hotel kitchen by an occultist Arab; the GOP candidate undercut peace negotiations during the first election, laundered campaign funds to break into the opposing party's headquarters during the second election, and wholly subverted the criminal justice process during his second term, then his replacement pardoned him and never got elected. Reagan dominated the presidency from 1980 - 88, but nobody was really dominating anything the twelve years beforehand.

 

No, we're exploring the narrative and evidential context in which the questions were asked.

 

Sorry I don't care if a a republican or democrat lies about porking a chubby intern. It is just a distraction from more important issues. You can feel differently and I respect that.

 

That's exactly the way I see it.

 

All irrelevant, if he wasn't the president, he'd have gone to jail for it.

I don't care if it's a Republican or Democrat getting caught breaking the law, they should be punished for it. Obstruction of justice and perjury are serious crimes that numerous people do time for and the ONLY reason Clinton didn't was because of political protection preventing justice from being served.

 

If he wasn't the President, he wouldn't have been asked in the initial suit, and he certainly wouldn't have had to answer it again in an Independent Counsel investigation that was originally about previously adjudicated matters.

 

iirc the perjury occurred during the deposition for the sexual harassment charge brought by Paula Jones, yes?