What are the chances that Altuve does not become a first ballot Hall of Famer

If Altuve retired after this season I don’t think he is a first ballot. They’re still so much unwarranted hate even among writers. If he keeps up this level or excellence maybe things change years from now.

From what I’ve been seeing it’s been 6 years since 2017 and people still say the same things about Altuve and the Astros. Is it’s still going to be awhile before opinions really changeZ

 

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At this point it doesn’t matter if he is first or third ballot. Roger Clemens is the best pitcher in 100 years and Barry Bonds is the best hitter in 90 years and neither are in the Hall of Fame. The best singles hitter of all time (Pete Rose) isn’t in either… nor is the best SS ever (A-Rod).

 

I just hope he gets in. Avoiding a ridiculous 10-year wait only adds to the satisfaction.

 

Then the city of Houston riot

 

Remember who gets to vote for Hall of Famers. Altuve is more likely to not get in at all than to get in on the first ballot. If you think the media will back off their narrative you are simply not paying attention

 

He still has work to do.

If he retired now, he is closer to Chase Utley and Dustin Pedroia that Roberto Alomar and Ryne Sandberg.

(Rank among 2nd basemen)

49.3 bWAR (26th all time)
52.6 fWAR (22nd all time)

2047 hits (26th all time)
1062 runs (35th all time)

Those aren't HOF final career numbers.

In 2-3 more solid years he may have a case.

He just needs to keep doing what he's doing.

 

Let's give thanks to the Lord and vote our brother in.

 

He is also one of the greatest post season players ever.

 

People outside of Houston hate Altuve and the Astros. They won’t let him in.

 

Yes. And so is Dustin Pedroia and Chase Utley.

(And David Freese)

I just think his regular season numbers need some boosting or else too many writers will dismiss him.

 

Altuve has way more postseason success than any of those guys. The averages are way better in way more games.

 

They will treat him like the roids players and never let him in.

 

I’m not convinced he will ever get in

Not as long as it’s the media making the decisions

 

This is basically a poor man’s psych study to see who in here is baseline pessimistic, baseline optimistic, and baseline realist.

Everything pretty much being distributed as expected.

It should be noted that the media emphasis on the scandal took a severe downturn this year compared to 2021 and most of 2022. Mostly because the Astros kept winning and any writer that wants to bring it up for any sort of qualifying or “just because” reason gets bombarded by a host of receipts when they once took a more polarizing or borderline hypocritical view.

The media members are as culpable for this being a thing as anything… and its impacted their ability to cover these players, or any Astros players, thus they’re trying their best to re-phrase all of it as the Astros already proved they aren’t going away any time soon.

 

I hope I am in the realist camp.

I just found a very cool site that I love and am going to spend more time on.

It's called "hallofstats.com"

They explain they use stats, including WAR and WAA and many more to create a mathematical formula where all 242 hall of famers are removed and then the 242 players with the highest rating by this formula are then included. Then adjust the ratings where 100 is the average "hall of statter"

Altuve is the 25th all time second baseman with a 88.

It's important to note it only considers regular season and is Stats only, but I like it quite a bit.

 

There’s been more and more of this in recent years as voters’ ballots become more transparent and “bias and agendas” get rightfully scrutinized and those writers get further exposed as hacks, and can’t physically do their jobs or put out stories without being called out for it.

There’s also a lot of unsaid movement in the BBWA field where many writers don’t really have the same “gig” they once did, thanks to how sport-writing is basically consumed now. While it isn’t hard to keep your membership, I could also see the entire organization having to adapt and accept a new generation of voters/writers that don’t feel like the game basically belongs to them.

A lot can continue to change with that process, and this sport over the next 5 years… as a lot already has changed in the last decade since the steroid implications were at its peak. David Ortiz and Pujols were highly implicated when everybody else was… but it won’t matter when the dust is settled.

 

Rank among every postseason player who ever lived:

Top 10

If he retired today he'd be a career .300 hitter, 3x batting champ, MVP, who's led the league 10x in categories that matter.

The only thing stopping from HOF is the scandal.

Adding more regular season numbers is icing at this point.

 

Agree from a numbers standpoint

What he has done in the playoffs should cement first ballot even

But I think there will be enough POS writers who will refuse to ever vote for him that he never gets in