US now pushes UN to back 'immediate' Gaza ceasefire to free hostages

If the "Palestinians" invested into growing businesses instead of terrorist weapons, maybe they could afford more houses.

What is your problem with Jews building more houses?

Do you feel like Jews should not be allowed in predominantly Arab territories?

There are 2 million Arab Muslims in Israel, with full citizen rights. Why should there NOT be a few Jews in predominantly Arab Muslim populated land?

 

As you note the Marshall plan rebuilt Germany. The Allies didn't maintain an economic blockade of Germany. They didn't "settle" a bunch of Americans or Brits on German land. They didn't restrict Germans (at least the ones from the West) to travel freely.

After WWI though the Allies took punishing actions on the German economy under a similar argument that Germany was responsible for the war and that Germany was an ongoing threat to their safety. That led to decades of resentment which the Nazis exploited.

 

Everything you posted is correct.

However, the situation here may or may not be different. After Germany was defeated, that was it. When Hamas is defeated, the ones who have been using Hamas as a proxy to wage war against Israel will still be there: Iran, Qatar and others.

But that's for later anyway.

First order of business is to eradicate Hamas.

 

Hamas is always there, and acts like a paramilitary wing, law enforcement, salvation army, black market and political party wrapped in one.

It's much like how the IRA was in Ireland and will lurk around after the cameras leave and attention fades.

One can knock on the PLO for it's failures in authority, but they're kept weak for a reason, and corruption isn't the only thing holding it back.

 

This is the bleak reality.

Hamas/Palestine is just one of many, and the smallest boulder on the road to peace, even.

Israel will live in conflict eternally.

 

Sadly, this is true, but they are not the source of the hate. They are the object of it. They are a thorn in the side of a supremacist ideology.

 

You're not wrong. However, looking back at the origins of the conflict, religion/ideology aside, the territorial beef is legitimate.

 

5 months later and some dipshit still think Izrael can win.

 

They need to get over it. As a German, I don't shoot rockets at France because I want the freaking Alsace back. I mean, they have good wines and good food and so on, but...

 

"Palestinians" are just Arabs. Mostly Jordanians.

 

You are aware there was an Israeli military ordinance to destroy any Palestinian business that could compete economically with Israeli businesses, yes?

If the Palestinians had control of aquifers, water, the Jordanian valley, they would have businesses in agriculture that could compete and provide opportunities for economic growth amongst Palestinians. If Palestinians had less restriction on movement, transportation, etc. That could help.

Hamas does need to go, but it's important that Israel doesn't create conditions that will breed a different organization with the same tactics as Hamas. The region doesn't need a 'Hamas 2.0' under a different name.

Israel will be more secure if they stop increasing settlements, hand over control of water rights, put a halt to collective punishment, and reach a settlement to rid discriminatory laws regarding water and business.

The international community needs to step in to help provide aid to Palestinians so they won't be dependent on powers such as Iran and others with an aggressive militant anti-Israel agenda. Palestinians need to make sure they police corruption in dealing with received aid and economic help.

These things won't eliminate all terrorist attacks on Israel. It will reduce them and help generations of the future grow with eased tensions and improved relations with Israel and vice versa.

These things would not only help Israel be more secure, they are the right things to do. The agendas it won't help are terrorist agendas like Hamas that rely on Israeli injustices to gain support and gather wealth for their corrupt members. It won't help the agenda of Israelis that won't to drive out all Palestinians and occupy the entire region for only Israelis.

It is near impossible for all of those things to happen. But steps should be taken in that direction as much as possible.

 

In the short term? Usually genocide or highly oppressive regimes that limit the rights of those conquered to such a degree that they have their culture stripped by them. The problem with strip them of their culture, is that Israel is surrounded by other Arab and Islamic nations.

The "ideal" is to take a minority, put them in the existing culture and "reward" them with a prosperous life so that they acculturate, but that doesn't usually happen.

 

Israel is currently engaging in genocide.

 

So that would include Jews as well. Why are there no Jews there then, and you don't want them there?

 

That region is pretty liberal with segregation and ethnic cleansing when you consider they're all roughly in the same dna population grouping, aka Semites.

 

Would Baptists and Evangelicals heads explode if it was proven that Jesus looked like an Arab?

 

The majority of Palestinians did not commit October 7th atrocities,

Most Palestinians just want to live without war or being controlled by another nation.

Their primary objective in the short term perhaps - I saw this with the USA and the weapons of mass destruction and Afghanistan.

The long-term goal should be long term security as Israel is surrounded by other Arab nations.

Okay - that requires occupation in the short term or incredible prosperity in the long term.

Weapons and fighters from Iran, Yemen, Jordan, and Iraq are going to get weapons into Gaza and the Westbank.

The root cause is complicated.

The historical hatred of Jews by some Arab Muslims certainly plays a big part - but the whole pushing Arabs out of Israel, into Palestine, and then making Palestine a vassal state plays a huge part in this as well. The Israeli's even controlled the borders, trade etc.

This was never happening - Israel cut off all trade with the outside world by Gaza and also Singapore is in a far better location than Gaza.

No one has clean hands.

Right - I agree, but the problem is that unless they intend to take Gaza, they are looking at more hate most likely.

Yes - but Germany was not surrounded by other hostile countries full of Nazi's and there wasn't social media that was calling for spiritual warriors from across the Middle East.

Agreed - at least in the short term. When people are fat and happy, religious zealotry isn't as important.... look at Kuwait for example.

I suspect we are headed towards a form of genocide - with the Palestinians being pushed out, and continued effort from outside of Israel to commit terrorism inside Israel - at least for awhile.

The situation isn't black and white - those that support Palestinians forget that within a year of Israel being formed, Naser in Egypt was already recruiting former German Nazi scientists to develop rockets that could hit Israel when only the USA and Soviet Union had them. Naser on television made the point that the rockets could go 200 miles, which is the heart of Israel. The Mossad responded by killing the scientists and leaving Egypt without the capability to attack Israel from the sky..... now, 70 years later, the relations with Egypt are better, but far from perfect.

As for the Palistinians, they were in Israel and then one day were told that they would be ruled by Jews - and they were pushed out of thieir homeland.