Uninsured Patients twice as likely to die of cancer in U.S.

Can you explain why the UK and canadian healthcare system are so much worse at fighting cancer when they cover everyone? Or do you just deny that as being false?

 

Poor people should consider buying health insurance, instead of blowing their money on lotto, booze, drugs, and conspicuous consumption items. Seriously, this healthcare debate ought to be one of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, not a government 'solution' to the problem. If you can't handle your healthcare costs, then it's probably your own fault -- from either years of financial mismanagement, misplaced priorities, or just laziness. People must be held accountable for their actions. If that's not the case, we will be a nation of unproductive, fat slobs. We may already be there.

Don't make me get schit for healthcare just because crack addict down the street can't manage his life.

 

Care to post any data indicating that Canada and the UK are worse off at treating cancer or why cancer is the only criteria to a good health care system?

As for Canada, studies have been mixed. Some have found Canada to be far superior (especially when comparing major Canadian cities to major American cities) while others have shown mixed results (such as the US having higher survival rates of certain cancers)

Either way there's no evidence that Canada is much worse at all and may be better.

http://www.openmedicine.ca/article/view/8/1

 

Probably because they spend less money per person on healthcare. Take the following two entirely hypothetical systems:

System A: Spend $10,000 per capita, 60% success rate
System B: Spend $5,000 per capita, 57% success rate

Which is a better system? System A, because of the higher success rate? Or System B, because it doesn't consume as much of the country's GDP?

There's no doubt the US has the most advanced health care - we also pay substantially more than anyone else for it. The problem is that health care is getting increasing more and more out of the reach of most Americans. Great health care is worthless if people can't use it.

 

stupid rhetoric as usual. apparently this poster has never heard of medicaid.

poor people having health insurance isn't the problem. leave the poor bashin rhetoric to miminum wage threads and the like.

 

pgabs -- that only reinforces my point. If people are not poor, then there should be NO EXCUSE for them not allocating money towards health insurance. Instead, they allocate money towards all the wrong things.

The question isn't whether you have health insurance. It's whether you have ADEQUATE health insurance. People really don't give this the proper scrutiny, and then when things go wrong, they complain that it's the government's fault. Ridiculous.

 

no your point was wrong because you operate fromt the same base on every topic. poor people are stupid, rich people must be right, etc etc etc

the people uninsured are middle class, period. are you going to bash them? some of these are small business owners whom you claim to respect?

as far as adequate insurance, you apparently have no idea how far medical bills can run up and how much can go uncovered

 

A blood money system will never work.

 

Health Care is going to be rationed. Thanks to our wonderful patent system there are only so many drugs to go around.

The question to be decided is who does the rationing and is the rationing fair?

Letting the govt. decide who lives and dies is so much better than letting prices decide who lives and dies.

 

My father is a leading cancer researcher in Houston and he is travels throughout Europe on a regular basis teaching basic concepts to European doctors that just are not practices there. The cancer treatment in America is vastly superior to that in Europe, it is a fact.

 

Trader_marie_antoinette over there just parrotting the same ole crap

Rocket River

 

You're ****ing ridiculous. Do you really expect me, a 22 year old college student whose parent doesn't get healthcare benefits from her job, and this said student who barely makes it by on his 16-hour a week paycheck, to pay for health insurance on top of food, rent, auto insurance and other essential living expenses?

And no, the mandatory $50 dollar quarterly fee to use the health center does not count.

 

You should be eligible for medicaid....do you think it will be any different with universal medicine? Try worse.

Do you think we all should foot your bill? No.

 

Quit spouting unsubstantiated rhetoric. Its nonsense like this that makes health care debates so poisonous.

Nonsense like this should at least be stated with a sliver of evidence.

 

This argument is about prioritizing. Are you saying that the American public is properly prioritizing its spending? Instead of buying that iphone, getting HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, enabling text messaging on your cell, etc, etc, people ought to be prioritizing their expenditures on health insurance. 'Essential living expenses' has really been re-defined by our culture of conspicuous consumption and excesses. People are living beyond their means -- it's exactly what started the housing crisis, and guess what, it's contributing to the healthcare crisis.

In other words, don't save up all your money and go to Hawaii, only to injure yourself surfing and not be able to afford healthcare for your wounds.

 

Alright, Jeff or Clutch or whoever...come out from behind the mask!! Ha ha!! You created a funny little alter-ego extremist strawman to keep things interesting. The HO HO HO and CASE CLOSED were clever, I must admit. But this post just took it over the top...we're all on to you now. Because there's no way a real human being actually feels this way.

 

In addition to what Major posted, there's the red tape factor. HMO's and insurance companies in the US can delay care to the degree that someone is dead or terminal before they ever get proper care. This person would not count in your bogus stats because they were never treated. They're BS statistics.

 

The final system is going to be multitiered.

If you absolutely have to have no-cost-spared medical insurance, you can pay the no-cost-spared premium. They aren't going to limit you from getting additional insurance if you want it, and there will be a big market for it so you will have options available which you can pay for. So if you don't want to have to share doctors with the lumpenproletariat or any other undesirables, or wait in lines with the little people you don't have to, if you have money (just like now).