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Undocumented Workers Good for Texas Economy

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by FranchiseBlade, May 19, 2020.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Would have liked to see impact if 20% was legalized instead.
     
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    Country was built on cheap labor.
     
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    fixed it for you!

    yall remember GWB and his push for guest worker program? trumpublicans would never go for it now and they would blast him as an open borders liberal, but in hindsight it was not a bad idea.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guest_worker_program

    Most guest worker legislation introduced during the 105th through 110th Congress (January 1997-January 2003) solely discussed reforming the H-2A program.[16] Reform provisions, which included a pathway under which guest workers could gain legal permanent residence status, were not enacted into law.[16] Guest worker policy discussions in 2001 between President George W. Bush and Mexican President Vicente Fox were halted after the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the Twin Towers.[17]

    On January 7, 2004, President Bush reaffirmed his desire for guest worker program reform and laid forth plans for its implementation, known as the ‘Fair and Secure Immigration Reform’ program.[16][18] According to the White House Press Secretary, this program laid out five specific policy goals:

    1. Protecting the homeland by protecting our borders: the program should include efforts to control the United States border through agreements with participating countries.
    2. Serve America's economy by matching a willing worker with a willing employer: the program should efficiently connect prospective workers with employers in the same sector.
    3. Promoting compassion: the program should provide a temporary worker card to undocumented workers that allows them re-entry into the United States during their three years.
    4. Providing incentives to return to home country: the program should require workers to return to their home countries after their work period has ended.
    5. Protecting the rights of legal immigrants: the program should not be connected with obtaining a green card.[19][20][21]
    The program also contains specific agenda items for reformation of the guest worker programs already in effect. Those are:

    1. Employers must make every reasonable effort to fill a position with American workers first.
    2. Enforcement against companies hiring illegal immigrants will increase.
    3. The United States will work with other countries to have guest workers included in their home country's retirement plans.
    4. Those in the program can apply for citizenship, but will not be given any preference and will enter at the end of the line.
    5. A reasonable increase in the number of legal immigrants into the United States.[20]
    The proposed program did not include a permanent legalization mechanism for guest workers. Bill S.2611, passed by the Senate in May 2006, included provisions for a guest worker program following the general guidelines of President Bush's proposed plan.[22] No further action on the bill, however, was taken by the House, allowing to the bill to be defeated.[22]
     
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    You had to pay for slaves.
     
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    touche!
     
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    How many drunk driving deaths must we accept in exchange for a good economy?
     
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    That would be very interesting. I wish there was a way to study that.

    This study is many pages but I like the clarity and transparency described in it about how it was done.
     
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    I haven't read the study but it's not surprising and obvious to me. It's not just Texas. Many states economies and industries would collapse if not for undocumented labor. I know even in MN there were problems in recent years as the immigration issues caused parts of the labor market to up and leave. Drywallers were a particular area and that led directly to delays and sharp rises in costs in construction.
     
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    I believe the GOP calls undocumented workers “business friendly” except at campaign rallies.
     
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    I am going to guess it's the same rate as other people. The illegals pretty much work in all the restaurants, build all the houses, do all the house maid stuff.
     
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    Please show me scientific data that backs up a correlation between drunk driving and illegal immigration. Where the heck is that coming from?
     
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    Guessing it had to do with some right-wing folks suggesting it last year. However, he won't be able to find scientific data because it's been debunked by science.

    Here's a link to a study that went back to 2010 and showed that this is a big nothing-burger. Just another attempt to rile up the right-wing base that doesn't look into details and acts on emotions only.
    https://www.cato.org/blog/do-illegal-immigrants-increase-drunk-driving-deaths
     
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    So how many anecdotal experiences are too many? You can find multiple on Chron.com on a monthly basis. Are you saying these incidents would still happen if these illegal aliens stayed in their homeland?
     
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    Frankly I would look the other way if we threw drunk driving illegals in the ICE Box, but that's not the point of the ICE Box.

    Right wingers love feigning how illegals are "breaking the rules" by default, so them breaking another law is a line drawn too far!

    But that's not the real point of the ICE Box either.
     
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    TDS...
     
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    TDS tracks crimes by Illigal Immigrants...DUI's aren't even listed on their arrests/convictions page for undocumented immigrants:
    https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txcriminalalienstatistics.htm

    Then, there's also this article from 2017 about a study from a couple of Wisconsin researchers:

    https://psmag.com/social-justice/more-undocumented-immigrants-fewer-duis

    MORE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS, FEWER DUIS

    Specifically, states with an increasing concentration of non-citizen residents lacking proper papers experienced "reductions in drug arrests, drug overdose deaths, and DUI arrests," writes a research team led by sociologist Michael Light of the University of Wisconsin–Madison.

    "There are good theoretical reasons to think (an influx of undocumented immigrants) could have increased substance abuse problems in recent decades," Light said in announcing the results. "But the data just doesn't show it."

    The study, published in the American Journal of Public Health, examined data from 1990 to 2014. The undocumented immigrant population of each state—and the percentage of the total population it represented—was provided by the Center for Migration Studies and the Pew Research Center.

    Data on arrests for DUI and drug crimes was provided by the Federal Bureau of Investigation; alcohol-related traffic accident facilities were compiled by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

    Crunching the numbers, the researchers found a 1 percent increase in the proportion of a state's population that is undocumented is associated with 22 fewer drug arrests, 0.64 fewer drug-overdose deaths, and 42 fewer DUI arrests for every 100,000 people.

    While the reasons for this correlation weren't investigated, Light and his colleagues offer several possible explanations. "Undocumented persons may be less likely to drive after drinking, or drive at all, because of fear of police surveillance and deportation," they write. "For similar reasons, they may socialize and drink primarily within immigrant enclaves, obviating the need to drive."

    They further note that "undocumented immigrants are often motivated by economic opportunities for themselves and their families." This drive might "predispose them to less criminal involvement, and healthier behaviors."

    "Our study does not contradict assertions that drugs are smuggled across the U.S. border (they are), or that individual undocumented immigrants have been arrested for drunk driving," the researchers conclude.

    "Our findings do, however, significantly undermine arguments that the public is at greater risk for DUI or drug problems as a result of undocumented immigration. If anything, they suggest the opposite."
     
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