Understanding Radicalization: 'How ISIS Brainwashed Me'

Can you explain to me how an ISIS road block in Mosul, Iraq where the ISIS members stop random vehicles and give them a pop quiz on the Quran, the prophet etc and execute anyone who fails is a 'reaction to colonialism'?

You can attempt to make any excuse for terrorist attacks on Western soil on 'colonialism' and Western intervention but good luck explaining how ISIS, Al-Qaeda and Taliban controlled regions govern or explain how a large portion of Muslims believe that death for apostasy is a-ok or explain how almost every Muslim dominant country has severe women's rights issues. Do those Muslims believe that way to spite us Westerners or more realistically do they believe the way they do because of Islam?

 

Iraq war has nothing to do with it. If Al Qaeda still existed, we would have no ISIS.

Do you understand now?

 

I'm not referring to the circumstances that allowed ISIS to gain power. I'm taking about that one particular ISIS fighter in that scenario I described.

You are stating that an ISIS's fighter's motivations have more to do with Western colonialism than Islam. I'm asking what motivation does an ISIS fighter have for executing an Iraqi for failing a quiz on Sunni Islam?

 

The most ironic thing here is an ISIS fighter would gladly tell Sweet Lou that his entire motivation is for the advancement of an Islamic Caliphate. Straight from the horse's mouth, yet... It has nothing to do with Islam. Makes perfect rational sense.

 

Ideologically speaking, for these terrorists, there are two kinds of people that cannot be tolerated:

• The apostate
• The infidel

Essentially, for Sunni terrorists, any Muslim that isn't already a Sunni has pretty much declared themselves an apostate. So they must be murdered. Sunnis who have not converted to their brand of Islam perhaps just have not been given enough time or the right teachings to understand what is true Islam. The infidels? They are all wrong. They must all be destroyed; just like the apostate.

The problem that exists among Muslims is that so many are sympathetic to the murder of apostates. That is EXACTLY how the terrorists see it: apostates must be punished with murder. That's where the problem exists among Muslims - not enough of them are standing up and saying "you know what, that whole 'murder apostates' thing in the Koran, that does NOT need to be interpreted in a literal sense".

 

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^ Sweet Lou, can you explain how that mob was motivated by Western colonialism?

 

No you didn't address them. You regurgitated your initial premise for the thread into different wording.

No retort on how Muhammad being th most venerated figure in Islam is a large problem. No retort on the differences between Christianity and Islam. I get it. That right there is when **** gets nuanced and frankly as an ex-Muslim, I just know more about it than you, thus you are unwilling to go to that level of nuance.

 

This ISIS fighter is fluent in Arabic. He understands and memorized the entire tasfir of the Quran. He knows the life of the prophet in as much explicit detail there is available. Why is it so easy for him to make those justifications?



Because Islam makes it easy and yes, more so than Christianity.

Using the argument that they strap bombs to themselves and are willing to kill themselves is an argument against your rhetoric Sweet Lou. Finding motivation to kill yourself and then be rewarded is only something religion can do.

 

You answer was a regurgitation of your initial premise that Western imperialism is the motivation.

 

So when someone kills themselves in order to be rewarded, they are desiring power and conformity? That seems pretty damn counter intuitive. I would assume it's because of God and God is accepting what they are doing.

 

Yes, it is for many ISIS fighters. I mean... go ask them yourself.

 

It sounds like how Pimps get girls into prostitution.