I don't care if you claim that you didn't vote for him if you are on here regularly defending him or supporting him this is what I see that you are doing. 'Good' good reasons that someone might support Trump - I disagree that some of these things actually serve our nation but I understand that they are legitimate points of disagreement and people with different political views might like these 'accomplishments' so they will go on the good side. (whether or not people want to claim Trump doesn't have anything to do with it doesn't matter. Presidents have almost always received credit or blame for how the economy is doing.) The 'good' list are differences that we've had before Trump and will have long after Trump. The fact that myself and others may disagree with the positions on the 'good' list doesn't stop them from being legitimate areas where Americans can and will have disagreements. 1. The economy is doing well in general 2. Unemployment is doing really well 3. You favor deregulation of businesses 4. You favor privitization of businesses 5. You want less illegal immigration and believe Trump's wall will accomplish that 6. You want supreme court justices that will remove the abortion protection. 'Bad' good reasons to support Trump - These are the reasons people have claimed they support the President but don't in any way make our nation a better place. 1. He pisses liberals off, and that is awesome. Things you have to excuse in order to support Trump - 1. Bigoted speech, policies, and actions - A lot of Trump supporters/defenders like to claim that he isn't really a racist or bigot. I don't know if he is or isn't. But I know his words, actions, past, and speech have all been racist. The long list of his speech and actions have all been listed on this bbs before so hopefully, we don't have to talk about them again. Whether or not you believe he has behaved in ways that support bigotry and racism isn't as important as the fact that racists and bigots believe his actions and words have supported their racism and bigotry. 2. Someone who has bungled foreign relations with N. Korea - He has 'negotiated' with Chairmen Kim of N. Korea. He has given in to Kim, not held him accountable or responsible for the death of American citizen Otto Warmbier. He has allowed the N. Koreans to increase their nuclear capabilities despite claiming that they have stopped. So it's even worse. Either he doesn't know that they have done this despite being told or he doesn't care. He has taken actions to make it easier for N. Korea to get around their sanctions. He has called off joint military exercises with the S. Koreans all serving the regime of Chairman Kim. 3. Someone who has excused and done favors for an authoritarian leader who has committed espionage against our democratic institutions. when dirt was offered by that foreign adversary to the President's son who was working on his father's campaign,he didn't call the FBI, he did not refuse to meet with them, instead he said that he would love the help of the Russians. Trump Jr, campaign chair, Manafort, and Jared Kushner took that meeting with our adversary they concealed that meeting from the public when that meeting was discovered they lied and said it was about adoptions Trump helped come up with that lie Trump's campaign chairman offered data to a Russian oligarch the president's son-in-law sought to set up a back channel of communications through a Russian diplomatic facility Trump's campaign reached out to hostile intel agencies to try and discover dirt and ways to use it. Trump's appointee reached out to a Russian diplomat about a way to undermine sanctions this nation had put in place against Russia? 4. Someone who has embarrassed the nation - He has been laughed at openly by the community of world leaders after making laughable lies in public. He didn't visit the grave of veterans who died at D-Day because it was raining. Other leaders were all able to make it. 5. He made himself and our nation look weak when took the side of the authoritarian leader who had committed acts of espionage against our Democratic institutions and process over the agencies of the United States who work to defend our nation 6. He is demonstrably the most dishonest person to hold the office. While all politicians may lie none do it as frequently as Trump. It isn't even close. 7. He has the most corrupt administration in over a hundred 30 years if not ever. - The numbers of people who have ripped off the taxpayers for things like private flights, vacations, office decorations is a mile long. In addition, there have been domestic abusers, foreign agents etc. The list could go on for pages. 8. This president is not a role model in any way - He was having unprotected sex with prostitutes while his pregnant wife was at home. He told the prostitute that she reminded him of his daughter. He paid off p*rn stars and prostitutes to hush them. He has been misogynistic, had to settle legal suits of sexual harassment, bragged about committing sexual assault. Even Clinton who behaved in ways that wouldn't be moral high points for a leader was at least educated, valued education and was extremely bright and knowledgeable. Trump does not meet that requirement in any way, shape, or form. 9. He has engaged in trade wars that required the government to spend taxpayer money to increase subsidies to farmers caused prices to rise on various products. 10. Has been inhumane and cruel in implementing his immigration policy - If these people were from an enemy country in a war, Trump would be guilty of war crimes. Because it isn't a war these people get treated worse. 11. National security - The President is very lax when it comes to protecting our nation's national security. He has been told that conducting official business on a consumer iPhone means that foreign adversaries are listening and intercepting his official and classified doings. The President doesn't care enough or believe them enough to make any changes and continues to do this. The President has ordered dozens of people who would not be granted a security clearance to be granted security clearance because they are family or that he just likes them. There are probably more ways that I am missing while thinking off the top of my head. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The point is that even if you agree with all of the points on the 'good' list is it worth excusing all of the faults on the bad list? Aren't there other candidates and people in the Republican who also champion every single one of the points on the good list that wouldn't be tainted with two-thirds of the items on the bad list? All it would take to find one of those candidates would be for people to stop excusing the President's behavior. Feel free to discuss any of the points on my list. Please try to provide rational for why you disagree so we can have an actual discussion.
Well done, FB, and I think you should remind people that you used to either be a Republican, or voted Republican more often than not. Did I remember that right? Not that it should matter. I know several Republicans who can't stand trump, disagree with a host of things the fool has done, or hasn't done and should have. Most of them held their noses and voted for him in 2016, even though they were shocked that he was the nominee and supported someone else in the GOP that year. Some have regretted it and have told me that they will vote Democratic in 2020, if the nominee isn't too far to the Left. If that's the case, they intend to vote Libertarian or for a dogcatcher. Whatever. I also know some that can't stand the idiot, but tell me, "Look at what he's done, not what comes out of his mouth. I hate the guy, but will vote for him again." One of those is my wealthy brother-in-law, who has benefited mightily from the massive tax cuts. I generally stay away from talking about politics around him, wanting to keep peace in the family. My favorite response? "What's wrong with the Spurs?" I honestly don't understand some of the things I've read here from incessant trump supporters. I understand the two groups of Republicans I mentioned. The second group I can understand because most of them benefited financially. I can understand them, even while ardently disagreeing with them. They are vastly different from some of those I read here, though. They don't support the "Wall." They think his immigration policies are barbaric, as are his bigoted actions regarding the LGBTQ community. They think the bizarre tariff wars he's created are a disaster. They hate the massive deficits he has created, even while benefiting from them. They hate his attacks on our allies and his foreign policy in general. There are several other things they disagree with, and say so, unlike so many on the Right here who feel compelled to defend every single thing trump does, regardless of how damaging it is to our country and our friends and allies. I have far more respect for that second group of Republicans I mentioned above, the ones I know in "real life," than I do for those here who are knee jerk trump supporters, no matter what the guy does. I have little respect for them because they have given me little reason to respect them, unless it's because of what they post outside of this forum. I separate D&D from the rest of ClutchFans, as some might have noticed in the GARM or Hangout.
I'm sure good Christan families shed tears of Joy when their children write they want to be president when they grow up if only to be a Somebody who's able to grabbem by the p***y.
I felt a little dirty doing it, but I had to give you a "like" for something that made me laugh. ;-) After all, I saw the video multiple times of trump spewing those words out of his ugly orange face for all the world to see. It was hard to avoid seeing the damn thing!
Another class act Trump supporter: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...t-leads-to-arrest-of-new-york-man/3379387002/
I have always been pretty far left But in almost every election there were one or two Republicans for whom I would vote. Usually they were judges or some local or state candidates. I almost never voted straight ticket. Usually on the national level I would vote for the socialist candidate. But I have family members who almost always voted Republican. They feel they don't have a party anymore. They don't agree with Democrats but believe they are better than Trump and Ted Cruz type Republicans. I hear what you are saying about people who vote for Trump based on what he does not what he says. But that is the whole point of the thread. 1. There are other Republicans who would do tax cuts and lessen the regulations or whatever. 2. In order to support him you have to be willing to overlook and be okay with all of the corruption, bigoted actions/policies, cruelty to children and families etc. I don't think it says anything positive about someone that they are okay with accepting those things.
My bad! I wondered if I had confused you with another member who posts down here, and apparently that's just what I did. Now if I could only remember who the heck that was!
Being a hypocrite is part of being an adult. How the hell else could one reach compromises without being a hypocrite?
I think Trump is a terrible person and morally bankrupt. I also think the Clintons (Bill and Hillary) are terrible people and morally bankrupt. I didn’t and wouldn’t vote for either. If Trumps does something I agree with then I’ll give credit for it. If Trump does something I disagree with I’ll chastise him for it. Its pretty simple really.
The OP's post actually encapsulates Trump supporters like you very well. You should read it, have a little introspective moment for yourself. I know reading isn't the Trumpanzee strong suit but give it a shot.
A picture is worth a 1000 words and again... enough to respond to the OP. Also I am not supporting anyone at the moment.
*cough* You know I post rarely, and it's likely I'm not who you have in mind, but it does seem I've admitted before here in D & D that I voted for Reagan in '84, Bush41 in '88, and for more Repubs than Dems until the Ken Starr prosecution of Bill Clinton over a damned blowjob. When I saw the vitriol with which the right went after a guy whose administration was such a boon to the national economy, it opened my eyes to the difference between traditional Republican values and what had become Republican practices. I've paid more attention since to their actions than their words. The Republican kowtowing to Trump--who is weak and stupid--illustrates how utterly devoid of integrity, and how thoroughly corrupt the GOP has become. And to anyone who would argue the point, you are giving complete credence to their words, to their marketing, and paying absolutely no attention to their actions and their repercussions.
