Trump Expected to Pull Out of Paris Climate Agreement

what makes the current climate optimal?

 

Then stay out of the discussion? If you want to give up on it then give up on it.

I don't get why we have so many people sticking their noses into scientific discussions. You hear so many people give their 'opinions' on climate and so many politicians that tell you they know better than the scientists on this...I mean really?

It also never hits the right on the head that we are the only major country that this is even a discussion.

 

Oh I would, but others want to come after my money and freedoms with the preposterous aim of altering the climate.

Then it becomes my affair.

 

the only side that stands to profit are energy companies. climate scientists have great job security. They also have close to zero political influence relative to a single oil company.

the gold standard in science is when your theory can predict previously unmeasured results that can not otherwise be explained.

Climate science as done this with high accuracy. The models predicted that certain layers of the atmosphere would warm at night if indeed co2 was the source of the warming trend. That has been confirmed. There are other confirmations. This is why the science is considered sound. Climate theeory isn't about saying exactly what temperature it will be...it''s about undersnding the cause and effect relationships that are now indisputable.

to deny global warming is now like saying the earth is flat.

 

Well, your priorities are a bit crooked.

You believe the climate is changing...yet, you want to do nothing about it so you can save money?

A preposterous aim of altering the climate? According to whom? You? Pretty intelligent people think it can be battled or delayed. I think I'll take their advice on the subject over a few politicians and random conservatives whose extent of knowledge on the subject is limited to how much they can google.

What is more preposterous is that you expect our brightest minds to sit back and do nothing because of your fears that they are coming after your money.

 

It's not a big deal that it's changing, and nothing can be done about it regardless.

It's just a pretense to transfer wealth and control people's behavior.

 

Let's do a more realistic scenario, let's say there's a 5% chance that rising seas will significantly erode the Texas coastline to where Houston could be affected in some meaningful way and let's say that there's a 1% chance that you could actually do something about it by harming the economy and making life significantly harder for the poor....is that still worth it?

 

That's completely false. That isn't the opinion of every other country and our own Pentagon...but whatever, I know there is no convincing you.

 

If the changing of the climate is inevitable, which is the opinion of many, is it still something worth harming the economy and disproportionally harming the poor?

 

It's not a big deal that the climate is changing? Ha.

 

Our neighbor Venus is an extreme example of what global warming from greenhouses can do to a planet. I've read people saying that the Earth will recover if we happen to wipe ourselves out. It's possible we could permanently KO life as we know it on this planet for good. I think this would take hundreds of years of neglect but to say it's inevitable and isn't a bad thing is asinine IMO.

 

It is inevitable. It is inevitable that the sun will explode one day and take Earth with it. While getting up and moving to another planet seems like an impossible idea, it must be done, thankfully we have people dedicating their lives to such an impossible seeming task...but we have to survive long enough on this planet to figure that stuff out...and we should stay out of their way. Sure, make sure their funds are being used efficiently, but it annoys me that we have so many politicians butting into what should be purely scientific discourse.

As for the poor, climate change harms the poor. It harms everyone on the planet, the poor will be unable to say get up and move to another country or location because of the changing climate, they will be the first ones in front of that bullet.

 

Do droughts and floods harm the poor? Asking for a friend.

 

There are quite a few people on this message board that I admit are smarter than I am. Hopefully I have learned a few things reading posters' thoughts and opinions over the years. My god though, some people are definitely on the other end of the spectrum.

I mean seriously? If you were to go show this quote to 10,000 different scientists with PhD's how many do you think would agree with you? I assume not many at all would agree with either notion or belief that you just threw out there. Perhaps not a single one out of 10,000 would agree with both.

So knowing that... you just think that what you said is true (or perhaps you have a Doctorate in something relevant to this discussion) And coincidentally you are a republican right? Per the Scientific American "the only major political party in the world not convinced by climate change"

To make things clear though from what you have gathered through you exhaustive research I am sure. You do agree that climate change is happening correct (per your post)? You just think that it is completely natural, and do not believe in anthropogenic climate change. Which means (as of 2011 7 billion people, and now as of 2017 over 7 1/2 billion) have had zero, nada, nothing to do with the climate changing. ALSO... you are saying that with that non human impacted climate change that is happening will not effect and is "not a big deal" to the billions (and ever increasing as I showed) people on this planet correct? Many of which live on islands and next to water and oceans.


ok

 

don't you see that your 1st two statements is driven by your last statement of a personal strong belief?

do you seriously think that the US military, as one simple example, is on board with this world wide desire to transfer wealth and control people's behavior? the more obvious reason is right in front of you. There isn't any world wide conspiracy to do a transfer of wealth and to control people, but there is simply a concern about the devastating effect and a BASIC desire to mitigate them for a better future and livelihood of human.

be skeptical of your own belief

 

Climate is always changing, and was changing before humans existed. There's nothing about the current state that is sacred, there are good/bad tradeoffs to it getting warmer/cooler. Of course human activity is one of thousands of variables that contribute to the current state.

The policy proscriptions are coincidently always forcible wealth transfer and/or behavior modification. All of which won't change the weather, but will hurt people's quality of life.

expert (!) predictions from 2008 about the end of days in 2015, lol

 

This thinking is so simplistic. It's a charade of "scientific" thinking by someone who does not have any scientific thinking.
"climate is always changing": so what? So is your blood pressure, the economy, and so on. Changes can still be bad sometimes.
"Good/bad tradeoffs": wow are you Taoist? Deep, man. Murdering families has good/bad tradeoffs too. So what?
"thousands of variables": yeah, 9/11 involved thousands of variables. Wanna have another 9/11? Number of variables is irrelevant.
"transfer of wealth": what a crock. The military, the war on terror, taxes, health care, the government itself involve transfer of wealth: do you oppose all of those?