Trump Calls NATO Obsolete and Dismisses EU in German Interview

For a guy who loves 'proof' so much, you sure like to make baseless claims conjured up in your head to fit your narrative.

 

Shoot, Obama has been called a traitor and accused of treason by plenty on the right. Michael Savage called it a coup d'etat when Obama made a general resign. Plenty of people have argued he was installed as president by mysterious forces, has worked to undermine the United States because he is either a Muslim operative that wants to bring the Muslim Brotherhood to power or some other conspiracy theory.

 

So, instead of addressing the point, you raise a nonsensical semantical issue.

Nice dodge.

 

I for one would like to be instantly vaporized in the fireball. No slow death in a bunker for me.

 

A lousy nonsensical dodge, A_3PO. You are being far too kind, in my humble opinion. I made the mistake of looking at what you were replying to.

 

Instead of picking and choosing which quotes to reply to, perhaps you should read them all.

I specifically said there is no proof or any suggestions he is 'bought and paid for' by Putin outside of liberal fantasies. This is on par with the rights "dur dur dur Obama is a muslim and hates America and trying to turn America into the Middle East" idiotic logic.

Will I be surprised if Trump has business ventures that connect back to Russia? Absolutely not. The guy is a multi-billionaire businessman. Ill be more surprised if he didn't.

Stating Trump is selling out America because he's Putins puppet is just idiotic. Putin dislikes Hilary and Obama more than even the most extreme Americans. He also knows Trump is a businessman and he sees the advantages to the Trump presidency. Why would he not try to sink Hillary in favor of Trump? We would never have a president if we disqualified every candidate because some foreign power sees the advantage of a certain candidate.

Its America's job to ensure foreign entities do not try to influence our election, not to place our faith that our adversaries will respect our election process. Certain political parties need to be more concerned with foreign powers influence and manipulate our election instead of wasting all their energies trying to manipulate and influence our elections and spend more time trying to cover up their own SNAFU's.

There is plenty to b**** about Trump. Focus your energies on things that are actually real.

 

Nice 2nd dodge. Keep it up.

 

Agreed. His stance on NATO is real and goes against decades of foreign policy that's been set by Republicans and Democrats.

 

Trump is right, though.

Clint Capela has rendered NATO, along with Dwight Howard, obsolete.

 

Wow, did I just see space ghost post that Putin and the Russians tried to influence the election to the favor of Trump?

While no one here is attempting to disqualify Trump because of this, it sure seems important to investigate how this happened and what steps can and should be taken to prevent this in the future. Seems we wasted a lot of time and energy first denying that the Russians were deeply involved in this past election. Might also make sense to consider why Putin sees Trump so favorably...

 

First you say nobody is trying to disqualify Trump then you state the Russians were deeply involved. I didn't realize releasing transcripts of corrupt and unethical behavior was 'deeply'. Apparently creating fake news is 'deeply' too.

I already gave you an explanation why Putin favors Trump. Hillary and the Obama administration wish to continue a policy of provocation and undermining Putin, right or wrong. Trump wants to do the complete opposite, again, right or wrong. Why is it so difficult to understand why Putin prefers Trump?

The fact remains we can have good relations with Russia and Putin while still preserving the integrity of our country. And we should strive for this. Instead, we want to send American troops to Russians front door step, demand them to leave Crimea and Ukraine, stop meddling in other countries and do everything America say.

Could you imagine if there was a foreign government(s) telling us to abandon all of our foreign bases and stop meddling in other counties affairs? Do you not realize how imperialistic America has become? Right now all we have is a loose terrorist network fighting back against us. It time, its going to get worse. I understand all of this is irrelevant to you. Its more important we distract from our own governments and parties corruption and prove to everyone else how we are right and everyone else is wrong.

 

Here is another one: If Russians tried to influence a very close presidential election in favor of a Dem and the Dem barely won, I doubt Republicans and "conservatives" would have reacted calmly (either to the point of denial or by the "so what?" attitude). Especially if said Dem called Putin "smart", wanted to "make good deals with Russia" and called NATO obsolete.

Republicans and conservatives love to scream about "liberal hypocrisy", but what have we here? They are every bit as hypocritical as Dems. This is a flaming volcano of an example.

 

One reason we need an investigation (hopefully an independent investigation) is to find out the extent of Russian efforts to influence the election. Its been proven they released emails and even hacked into email servers to do so, but what other things have they done? That would go a long way towards "preserving the integrity of our country". Certainly not sweeping it under the rug, simply because Russia's actions favored Trump. And certainly not worrying more about upsetting Russia that we allow them to brazenly involve themselves in our election processes in order to help elect the candidate most favorable to Russia's best interests.

 

Strange that you don't even want to consider the possibility it's true. Baseless? There's definitely some base. Conjured in my head? Tune in to non-alt-right news buddy

 

Trump is supposed to be a good negotiator. Supposedly that was one of his strengths. If that were true and he were going to negotiate the best deal for the United States with Russia, wouldn't it be better to go into the negotiations with a strong hand?

Instead Trump is blasting United States allies like Nato and the EU all of which plays into Trump's hand. He's already talked about reducing Russia, which again is only favorable to Russia. Trump has done all of this with Russia giving up nothing to the United States. They've ceded zilch! And Trump is weakening our bargaining position?

No wonder banks that made deals with Trump and that Trump bragged about the deals in his book "Art of the Deal" rejected the claims he made in the book that he was actually a great deal maker and made sensational deals.

So now something that was supposed to be a strong point for Trump is an area where is failing big time. What a weak leader for the United States.

And people are correct. If a Democrat had sold out long time allies like Germany, and the rest of NATO while equating the murderous Putin with the leader of our strong ally with the greatest economy and military in the EU, the outcry would be deafening.

 

Trump is a masterful negotiator and he is strengthening his side's hand in the negotiation around NATO. Problem is that Trump's side is Russia.

 

Member of his cabinet and his advisers opposed sanctions on Russia and don't think Russia was in the wrong for their aggression toward other countries. Trump and his cabinet is absolutely pro-Russian. It would be a surprise if Trump doesn't actually advocate for lifting of sanctions for nothing but something symbolic in return.

Just a few rambling thoughts..

Putin does not like Clinton and Obama. Equally, or more, he like Trump. No surprise. Plenty of incentive for him to push for a Trump presidency. Right now, I assume that is as far as it goes, but I'm not ruling out the slight possibility that Trump and his team actually were more involved.

Trump is heading toward his inauguration with a huge unfavorable rating at 55%. Clinton, GW Bush, Obama all have more than 60+ favorable rating heading into their first term. It is clear the US public isn't liking what they have seen so far.

 

Words carry weight...

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Guess those golden shower tapes are real after all!

 

Trump is a loser. Sad!