1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Too many guys afraid to shoot

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Will, Mar 6, 2019.

  1. Will

    Will Clutch Crew
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    5,068
    Likes Received:
    9,083
    I'm getting really tired of seeing Rivers, Tucker, Clark, and others pass up open shots. Rivers keeps looking for Harden like he's his mommy, can't wait to dump the ball back to him. CP drives, finds the open man, the ball moves around to Tucker, and with nobody in front of him, he passes it and it ends up back in CP's hands with 5 seconds on the clock. There was one hilarious exchange where Rivers and Tucker kept tossing the hot potato back and forth. Like they're all afraid to waste the possession by actually trying to put the ball in the basket.

    Look, I'm glad these guys are thinking about efficiency and are aware of their limits. But if they're not gonna take the open shot, they're letting the opponent get away with double-teaming away from them. And they're making our stars do extra work. It's the Ryan Anderson disease.

    Is it their fault? Or does Harden induce it by signaling to everyone around him that he wants the ball and will carry the team? It's starting to feel like a dependency issue. The role players have been more aggressive and creative when Harden's off the court. Maybe he needs to send them a stronger message to step up.
     
  2. pippendagimp

    pippendagimp Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2000
    Messages:
    27,035
    Likes Received:
    21,270
    carefully disguised we need the fearless (non-Brick) House thread
     
    Jake Tower, Sajan, DreamShook and 6 others like this.
  3. YOLO

    YOLO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2012
    Messages:
    46,688
    Likes Received:
    44,883
    this all goes back to using the rest of the season to find this teams true identity and what they will carry over into the playoffs. They played a chunk of the year due to missing personnel for obvious reasons a certain way. it's not going to be fixed overnight. gradually guys will be more aggressive and the balance will improve. harden also has a role in this as well, so it isn't just on everyone else
     
    hakeem94 and roslolian like this.
  4. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2008
    Messages:
    18,380
    Likes Received:
    18,403
    Rivers and Clark aren't good shooters and should not be anything more than insurance players who are not in the rotation unless we have an injury or resting someone. Rivers' FT% is appalling and Clark can't even sell a pump fake let alone actually drive to the rim. We need Shumpert and Faried to eat up their minutes. While we're on the subject of untenable players, Green needs to become an insurance player too. Replacing those 3 with Shumpert, Faried and House would be so good for the energy and confidence of this team.

    Tucker is having a momentary crisis, he will get over it. He's shooting 38% on 5 attempts. No one is going to leave him open, and if they do he will burn them in the playoffs. He has that playoff soldier mentality.
     
    hakeem94, jcmoon and Lawlruschang like this.
  5. Riz

    Riz Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2005
    Messages:
    2,164
    Likes Received:
    658
    You know who's not afraid to shoot? Green. Green is not afraid to shoot.
     
  6. YOLO

    YOLO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2012
    Messages:
    46,688
    Likes Received:
    44,883
    yeah and id rather not have a entire team shooting all the type of shots he takes. because in reality a ton of his shots aren't high quality. but those are make able relative to him. that's his role, not anyone else's
     
    Earnie Banks and macho GRANDE like this.
  7. jboslett

    jboslett Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2003
    Messages:
    924
    Likes Received:
    446
    I love Rivers' defense though.
     
  8. yixiixiy

    yixiixiy Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2010
    Messages:
    2,595
    Likes Received:
    4,283
    It's the "Harden-bail-me-out" mentality that shows in Harden's recent 28+ FGA games. Yes it was historical performance but at times the streak goes the other way (and that correlates with badly officiating games).

    I think defensively the team starts to look much more locked-in lately, but offensively they need to step up this binary style.
     
  9. Mr. Turbo

    Mr. Turbo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2016
    Messages:
    219
    Likes Received:
    276
    get outta here
     
  10. Riz

    Riz Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2005
    Messages:
    2,164
    Likes Received:
    658
    Agreed. He has a clear, we defined role: Go shoot threes.

    Although sometimes I wonder that he realizes he just shot after the ball leaves his hand. It's like a reflex for him.
     
    ilovehtownbb likes this.
  11. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2008
    Messages:
    18,380
    Likes Received:
    18,403
    I like his defense too.

    He doesn't deserve minutes over Harden, Paul or Gordon in the backcourt. Those 3 will play at least 90 of 96 minutes even if MDA is careful with their minutes. If we want to move Harden between the theoretical SG and SF spots, you're much better off adding Shumpert to that rotation. He's a better defender and not a worse shooter this season, but has greater length, versatility and championship experience.

    A solid contender has a guy like Rivers on the bench as insurance. It's not a waste. That's how it's supposed to be if we fancy ourselves serious contenders. You have guys like that as insurance or tactical options who can be next man up.
     
    biff17 likes this.
  12. roslolian

    roslolian Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    24,499
    Likes Received:
    14,759
    Did we lose the game or what?

    IIRC we are on a five game winning streak and you guys are acting like the team is still 2nd worst.

    Hey, maybe Tucker and Rivers are scared to shoot because they are primarily defensive players and Raptors are a top defensive team? They have Kawhi, Lowry, Ibaka and Spicy P all of whom play great defense.
     
    Patience and Bengchu like this.
  13. LosPollosHermanos

    LosPollosHermanos Houston only fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2009
    Messages:
    28,685
    Likes Received:
    12,621
    I have it on good terms that house would solve all these problems. Sauces coming up.
     
  14. TheRealAllpro

    TheRealAllpro Morey only fan

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2012
    Messages:
    5,842
    Likes Received:
    4,999
    It still throws me off with Rivers because coming out of college there was this talk about him being a elite 3 point shooter. That never happen but it’s still stuck in my head.
     
  15. bmelo

    bmelo Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2018
    Messages:
    3,913
    Likes Received:
    4,622
    This guy plays like hes playin 2k while high. But in real life
     
    hakeem94, kjayp and RichieBanks like this.
  16. Riz

    Riz Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2005
    Messages:
    2,164
    Likes Received:
    658
    For better or worse, we live with it.
     
    bmelo likes this.
  17. YOLO

    YOLO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2012
    Messages:
    46,688
    Likes Received:
    44,883
    the second you see GG thinking about whether or not to shoot, its probably not going to go in his favor. He has his games where its obviously not going for him but when he's knocking them down, its great to have. Gotta take the bad with the good if were going to get the most out of him
     
    saleem, Patience and HP3 like this.
  18. Invisible Fan

    Invisible Fan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2001
    Messages:
    43,387
    Likes Received:
    25,394
    It's their fault. They get front row seats in the Harden Show and remember they can't perform well night in night out.

    This happens regularly in the playoffs when everyone's favorite spot or play is taken away and they have to adjust to their second or third option.

    Then when the whistles stop blowing, it all falls on harden to "choke".

    Six out of the last seven years...
     
  19. Spacemoth

    Spacemoth Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2007
    Messages:
    9,841
    Likes Received:
    4,495
    I just want to win Friday night any way possible. After that, we can use the Mavs Hornets Suns TWolves Hawks Grizzles run to fine tune our offensive style.
     
    LFE171 likes this.
  20. Garner

    Garner Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2009
    Messages:
    4,688
    Likes Received:
    1,846
    Team needs to see Faried shoot more 3s.

    Got it.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now