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Title 42 [immigration 2022]

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Astrodome, Apr 21, 2022.

  1. Astrodome

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    I have read that some dem leaders arent in favor of ditching title 42. It appears that President Biden will turn to Fauci and the scientists for guidance after an appeal to the justice department.

    At the conclusion of Biden's remarks Thursday, a reporter asked the president, "Are you considering delaying Title 42?"

    "No, what I'm considering is continuing to hear from my – first of all, there's going to be an appeal by the Justice Department," Biden said.
    "Because as a matter of principle, we want to be able to be in a position where if, in fact, it is strongly concluded by the scientists that we need Title 42 that we be able to do that. But there has been no decision on extending Title 42."



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    (CNN)More than 20 states on Thursday asked a federal judge in Louisiana to immediately block the Biden administration from ending a public health authority, known as Title 42.

    The Biden administration is on track to end Title 42 -- which allows border authorities to turn away migrants at the US southern border -- on May 23. The decision, made by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, sparked tension within the Democratic Party amid concerns of a migrant surge.
    More at link...
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/21/politics/biden-title-42-lawsuit/index.html
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm one of the more pro-immigration posters here but I agree this has been handled very poorly.

    The Admin should've worked much closer not just with CDC but with the states. There should be much more preparation for dealing with the lifting of Title 42.
     
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    Title 42 was just a fig leaf to avoid having to process migration applications. We should have stopped a while ago. Deal honestly with the border issue. Dems figure the timing is terrible and lifting 42 will cause a big border problem just in time for midterm elections. But I'm not happy to see bureaucratic agencies used to optimize for political elections. If you want to block migrants, use real processes to do it and stop hiding behind the pandemic.
     
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    Congress doesn't pass legislation anymore. This is what governing looks like nowadays. The last productive Congress was in 2010, its been downhill since then. We're now at the point where Congress exists to pass mandatory spending bills and confirm judges/executive nominations. And once the Republicans get control of the Senate, we won't even get confirmations anymore.
     
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    Yup. 42 is a total legal workaround. Are we under a COVID emergency or not? That stated, the alternative to lying and being disengenious is opening the floodgates to a broken system. Immigration courts are super backlogged. The sytem created wasn't meant to handle such a heavy load, but as you stated, no Congress (Republican nor Democratic) will tackle comprehensive reform. They just look to score political points and get quoted.
     
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    Hopefully so. The radio mentioned a body was recovered around noon but not seeing that news anywhere
     
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    Yes Congress should do more but I disagree they do little to nothing. This current Congress has passed a lot. They passed a massive COVID relief bill, they passed an anti-Asian hate crime legislation, they passed a couple of bills improving US competitiveness in hi tech and manufacturing, and most impressive of all they passed a large infrastructure bill with good bipartisan support.

    This has been one of the most successful Congresses in decades.
     
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    Even barring a comprehensive immigration bill they could prepare for the lifting of Title 42 much better. More resources to handle the surge of migrants could be put in place. More resources to patrol and monitor could be in place. The Admin could reach out to the border states to set up processing and holding centers for the surge of migrants.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    You guys should realize that without an INCREASE in immigration, we are going to stall out in our economy in under 10 years because we won't have enough people for the jobs that are available.

    We aren't having enough babies....

    DD
     
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    While I'm critical of how the Admin. is handling this current issue we definitely need major reform of Immigration and that includes increasing legal immigration.
     
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    This is also true as Japan is a good comparable (1st world, ethnocentric, huge anti-immigrant sentiment) to what could happen to the US. Those are two different things though: policy aspirations and operational procedures. Both are messed up and both need to be addressed. Trump, well mostly Miller, when dealing with the specifics, basically cut everything (legal, illegal, aslyum, temporary, all programs) down where street level ICE was told to ship off anyone you encountered, borders were closed, Remain in Mexico, then Title 42. It was also beneficial for flow just to have the Trump aura of saying the US is closed. This eased some of the backlog burden, but that's about it. And that didn't help anything regarding our future problems of not having enough immigration.

    Full reform of massively increasing legal immigration, speeding up the process, having more work visas (while balancing the line between protecting US jobs and non-capitalistic xenophobia), while smoothing out all the different programs is hard, if not impossbile work - something that I don't see Congress ever being able to accomplish in this political atmosphere.
     
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    RIP Texas hero.
     
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    Sad. Wish he wasn't even there so that his helping instinct wouldn't kick in.
     
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    Agreed. He shouldn't be tasked with border patrol.
     
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    Not their job.....

    DD
     
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    With climate change and political instability, we'll need to settle our border policy to handle an influx of migrants.

    I'm not advocating a full lockdown of our borders but obviously the status quo isn't a working model to build upon.
     

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