Their Great Fear: Rand Paul Guy from Alabama Learns to Love Obamacare

Very nice, good luck to that guy. A little bit more prudence could have saved him 10 grand, but, better late than never.

 

But, glynch, but ... for each one of these changes of heart, how many people will come to loathe Obamacare? 50 to 1? 100 to 1? 1,000 to 1? 1,000,000 to 1? Neither of us can answer that now, but the answer by November 2016 will be interesting.

 

You are right that we don't know. Maybe you have the ratios inverted -- time will tell. And so it is with any new law.

But when it's the law of the land, you can change it through normal legislative processes, working with people. If you cannot achieve your aims there, you do not subvert the entire working of government with a process of extortion.

How many people will come to loathe any law? Can we just shut the government anytime a group of legislators don't like something? It would be the end of our democracy.

I am all for criticizing and changing Obamacare, but I will never support either party doing what the house Republicans are currently doing. Never.

 

The only people that will loathe the ACA will be the people who pay for it but are lucky enough not to need it.

 

Until they need it.

 

Right now, everything I've seen is anecdotal. "My rates doubled!" or "my rates are much cheaper now" or "they actually cover me!" or "my employer stopped providing insurance."

The final, average numbers will tell the story. There will be winners and losers. You can't force insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions, for example, without making someone pay for it. Exchanges and subsidies are there to offset some of the pain, but healthy middle-aged individuals will likely feel the pain.

 

Bingo. Reminds me of people who are against gay marriage... until they find out their kid is gay. It's a lack of an ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

 

In another few years, there will be countless people who will have had their asses saved by Obamacare, as the law of averages will drop cancer on some people and car wrecks on others.

The GOP cannot win this fight. What they should have been doing is working to improve the law, not kill it. That might make Obama look good, though, so it was off the table.

And anyway...the idea of insurance is that the people who don't get struck by lightning pay for the people who were unlucky enough to have been struck. This idea that healthy people are being inconvenienced by having to pay into the system is very shortsighted, at best.

 

But that is socialism.

 

This is corporate America's worst fear, that the public is going to find out that all the BS talking points that the right wings shills have been spewing is nothing more than a mountain of lies.

But Obamacare is old news. It's settled. The next big debate is over guaranteed income for all American citizens.

 

And maybe Matt Schaub will lead the Texans to the Superbowl this year. You may be absolutely right that most will hate it but that is speculative now.

This article though should come as no surprise. In most polling a majority have supported the parts of ACA when they are polled individually and not as part of the total package of "Obamacare."

 

Did the conservatives hate the medicare back in the days when it was first introduced?

 

1961: Same rhetoric, same reason.

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Reagan was a true visionary on how to f up this country.

 

I think one of the main problems around the ACA was how it was sold. Obama never should have embraced the "Obamacare" term imo.

 

If it works, in 30 years he will look like a genius. No one ever called medicare by any other name. All that matters is does it work.

 

That makes no sense. Have people really said that?

As for some random guy in Alabama having an opinion one way or the other on ACA, I just can't bring myself to give a damn.

 

There is no reason why this program should have caused so much conflict and bad blood. When you break it down to its parts then people agree with much of it. Yes I understand where you are coming from in a purely academic sense, but imo this plan was completely bumbled with the roll out and explanation of what it is.

I feel Obama didn't have to make it about himself by embracing the Obamacare term. He could have countered critics by explaining how ACA actually promoted competition and price transparency. People have a bad tendency to completely shut down their brains when they see an inflammatory headline or term they don't agree with. I think "Obamacare" was another example of this happening.

That said I think the plan has major fundamental problems. Maybe if it wasn't such a lightning rod topic then some of the major problems would have been discussed and negotiated better.....but we will see how things work out with it. I hope it isn't a complete failure, but I just don't see it working that well.

 

The republicans are the ones who made up the obamacare name.It was meant to ridicule the law.