1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

The UFC thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by dragician, Oct 26, 2013.

  1. VanityHalfBlack

    Joined:
    May 7, 2009
    Messages:
    18,215
    Likes Received:
    3,835
    Head movement,Clinch and jab. The basic stuff.
     
  2. McNultyisDrunk

    McNultyisDrunk Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2010
    Messages:
    1,213
    Likes Received:
    417
    Rhonda has the worst coach ever. Should've listen to mom and gotten rid of the dead weight and switched camps.

    Quote from Nunes:
    “She thinks she’s a boxer,” Nunes said of Rousey. “He [Edmond Tarverdyan] put that in her head and he has her believing that. I don’t know why he did that. She has great judo. She could go further in this division, but he put some crazy thing about boxing [in her head] and then her career started going down. I’m the real striker here.”

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/r...nunes-in-48-seconds-at-ufc-207-060115409.html
     
    KingCheetah and Richie_Rich like this.
  3. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    63,470
    Likes Received:
    26,091
    Well from what little I know, some of the women in the WWE are based on a retired wrestlers like Rick Flair's daughter based on him or Sasha Banks with a bit of Eddie Guerrero. Well, she got her "Rowdy" nickname from Rowdy Roddy Piper so maybe she could do something with that. I dunno but Judo works a lot better in fake wrestling than it does in MMA when you don't know anything else at a competent level.
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    54,146
    Likes Received:
    42,125
    As a Judoka I was dissapointed but I Nunes deserved it. She is a dedicated and relentless fighter and kept her focus. Ronda didn't adapt to the changes in her sport and never mentally got over Holly Holmes.

    I've appreciated the attention that Ronda has gotten for my art and for women's martial arts in general but it's time for someone else. I'm still holding out hope that Kayla Harrison will go to the UFC and get a chance at money and fame.
     
    KingCheetah and Yung-T like this.
  5. Mr.Pringles

    Mr.Pringles Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2016
    Messages:
    2,513
    Likes Received:
    1,787
    Smash Joe Rogan over the head with a coconut?
     
  6. VanityHalfBlack

    Joined:
    May 7, 2009
    Messages:
    18,215
    Likes Received:
    3,835
    Well, yes and no. You have to be able to work the crazy wwe schedule which is year round, fake fighting can be brutal to one's body. You also have to have charisma and work a promo. It's basically like a stage play but with fake fighting. Leaving the presser and not cooperating with the media is kind of a no no in WWE. She needs evaluation or therapy before she can move on imo.
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    54,146
    Likes Received:
    42,125
    I was talking to someone about this last night regarding the pending Mayweather MacGregor fight and I don't think this is true. I'm a grappler but having been knocked out before in a mixed match all the grappling in the world is meaningless if you can't get and get your hands on your opponent. Mayweather isn't a knockout power boxer but he is very skilled and very precise and moves very well. If he can keep a grappler from closing the distance and taking him down I would give him a very good odds of winning an MMA match.

    The MacGregor fight though will be under boxing rules and in that case I give Mayweather a huge edge. On top of that this is a publicity stunt for money. I doubt either fighter is going to take it very seriously.
     
  8. Mr.Pringles

    Mr.Pringles Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2016
    Messages:
    2,513
    Likes Received:
    1,787
    She could work a part time schedule similar to Lesnar/Cena/Undertaker if she wanted. Also while the finishes of matches are pre-determined, about 80% of stuff in the ring is not fake.
     
    vinsensual and VanityHalfBlack like this.
  9. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    54,146
    Likes Received:
    42,125
    It's only fake in that the winner is predecided but it's very physically demanding. The gymnastics involved are actually more dangerous than actual sport wrestling, Judo or BJJ moves.

    I understand Ronda wants to continue her fame and fortune but for her sake I hope she doesn't go into WWE. As noted it's an incredibly demanding schedule but it's also tainted with drugs and the lifestyle can and has taken a toll. Ronda is a fierce competitor but I'm just not sure she would be cut out for that life. I would hate to hear years from now her taking her own life or dying from complications of doing PED's and other drugs just to keep up with the demands of the WWE.
     
    VanityHalfBlack likes this.
  10. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    63,470
    Likes Received:
    26,091
    I would think the recipe would be that anyone with solid Muay Thai along with something else like Judo or BJJ would dominate pretty much any straight up boxer in an MMA fight so long as they knew better than to stand up with them the whole time.
     
    VanityHalfBlack likes this.
  11. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    54,146
    Likes Received:
    42,125
    MMA by nature favors generalists rather than specialists but I still wouldn't discount a straight up boxer. There is a saying in martial arts that it's not the fighting style but the fighter. The speed, precision and concentrated power of a good boxer can make up for a lot. Yes a grappler with some background in striking can work try to take the boxer down and neutralize the stand up game but they still need to be able to get in and do that. As last night reminds us all it takes is one well placed punch and that changes everything. As Tyson put it, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face."

    Anyway the nature of MMA has changed. When it started it was early dominated by grapplers but has become more of a stand up game. Part of that is people adapting but it's also that TV audiences just weren't as interested in seeing guys sitting in the guard for 10 minutes.
     
  12. Rustyrig

    Rustyrig Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2016
    Messages:
    104
    Likes Received:
    186
    Ronda is the female Royce Gracie, she came into a sport with a skillset that women struggled to figure out, now she is behind the game as the cream is rising. Great promoter for female fighters, but her reign is over...no shame, just progress. Thanks for your contributions, be well.
     
    KingCheetah likes this.
  13. ipaman

    ipaman Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2002
    Messages:
    13,026
    Likes Received:
    7,792
    beat him at what jui jitsu? ya think? in a boxing match, Mayweather would literally kill the opponent. I mean kill as in die.
     
  14. ipaman

    ipaman Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2002
    Messages:
    13,026
    Likes Received:
    7,792
    mma fanbois always talk about how a boxer would do (opinion is usually badly) in mma but never bring up how an mma fighter would do in boxing. I wonder why...
     
  15. 713

    713 Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2011
    Messages:
    5,821
    Likes Received:
    925
    Whats the update on Jon Jones? Is he still wasting his prime with coke?
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    63,470
    Likes Received:
    26,091
    Well I think usually they are talking about either in an MMA match or a real fight. Of course the boxer would dominate in a boxing match, that sort of goes without saying. The idea of MMA in the first place was to see which fighting styles actually work and which are BS. Boxing isn't BS, like almost everything calling itself "kung fu" or things like aikido turned out to be, but if that's ALL you know then you are in a massive disadvantage against people that have more well rounded fighting skills. Something as simple as leg kicks can totally screw up a boxer if they don't know more than just boxing in order to know how to deal with them.

    To boxing's credit though, we just saw what would happen to someone with essentially no boxing skills trying to box with someone who has 12 years of boxing training along with her other skills. It doesn't end well.
     
  17. ipaman

    ipaman Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2002
    Messages:
    13,026
    Likes Received:
    7,792
    my point was that mma fanbois always want it with their rules, their ring, they never want to project their great champions into boxing. always in their direction for their favor.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    63,470
    Likes Received:
    26,091
    Well yeah, either MMA rules or no rules. The goal being to show if someone like Mayweather could fight anyone outside of the strict boxing rules that allow him to get away with his style of hugging and occasionally throwing a punch. I don't think ANYONE thinks that an MMA fighter would hang with Mayweather in a boxing match, that's why they always talk about what would happen in a real fight.
     
  19. ipaman

    ipaman Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2002
    Messages:
    13,026
    Likes Received:
    7,792
    to me it's very similar to streetballers vs pros. most streetballers can't make it to the pro game let alone have long term success. but many pros could easily make it as streetballers if they wanted to. streetballers being mma and pro basket/soccer being boxing of course.
     
  20. Angkor Wat

    Angkor Wat Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    13,148
    Likes Received:
    978
    you are being a bit dramatic. anyone who was on top of the world and then falls off like she has goes through the same treatment. also, look how she acts. she disrespects opponents and shes a big sore loser. who likes that? no respect to even show up to the post fight conference. part of being a champion is how you take a loss and come back.

    also, tyson was never sparked out in one round and even after KO by Douglas, he came back and was a top level fighter.

    We are still a few years away from a truly dominant MMA fighter. Its still relatively new compared to boxing's history. Soon the kids who grew up training MMA, will step into the cage and that's when we will see some special fighters who dominant all aspects of the art, not just one.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now