The real problem is Iran and capitulation to a terrorist nation

Iran sucks

 

Do you want a war with Iran? Even Trump ran from that.

I'll give him credit for the Abraham Accords, but that seems to the one of the reasons Hamas got the support to do what they just did...

 

Interesting that you single out two Democratic presidents, ignoring the Republicans who are up to their necks in causing the chaos that led to where we are today. George W. Bush invading Iraq based on lies, doing an incredible amount to destabilize the region, leading to the deaths and maiming of tens of thousands of Iraqi, Kurdish and Syrian civilians, as well as large numbers of the members of our military and the militaries of our allies. Not to mention over a trillion dollars spent by our country in the process.

“Obama and Biden the modern equivalents of Neville Chamberlain.” Where do you get this nonsense? trump repeatedly said privately that he wanted the US to withdraw from NATO in 2019. The concern in Congress was so great that the House passed a bill to prevent it. Dozens of Republicans voted in favor of it, yet you make no mention of it.


US House votes overwhelmingly to bar US exit from NATO
By Joe Gould
Jan 22, 2019

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Md., left, accompanied by Rep. Jimmy Panetta, D-Calif., center, and Rep. Chrissy Houlahan, D-Pa., right, speaks at a news conference to introduce legislation supporting NATO on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 22, 2019. (Andrew Harnik/AP)

WASHINGTON — The U.S. House of Representatives passed legislation Tuesday evening that seeks to bar President Donald Trump from withdrawing from NATO amid renewed concerns over his commitment to the 29-nation military pact.

In a bipartisan 357-22 vote, the Democrat-led lower chamber sent the Senate the NATO Support Act, which would prohibit the use of federal funds to withdraw from the 70-year-old alliance. Twenty-two Republicans voted no, while 28 Republicans and 26 Democrats did not vote.

Beyond asserting Congress’ power of the purse, the bill affirms support for NATO and its mutual defense clause, for Montenegro’s accession, for “robust” U.S. funding for the European Deterrence Initiative and for the goal that each member nation spend at least 2 percent of its gross domestic product on defense by 2024.

The action comes as trans-Atlantic ties have been frayed by disputes over defense spending, trade and America’s withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal. After reports Trump floated the idea of a withdrawal last summer, Trump said last week, "We will be with NATO 100 percent, but as I told the countries, you have to step up,” defense spending.

Rep. Jimmy Panetta, D-Calif., sponsored the bill with backing from House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., and Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Eliot Engel, D-N.Y. At a press conference Tuesday, the lawmakers praised the alliance for its role in ending the Cold War and in supporting U.S.-led operations in Iraq and Afghanistan today.

“What we have to realize is that NATO is not just a transactional relationship.” Panetta said. “Our sole focus can’t just be on who pays what and who gets what. Being a member of NATO is not like being a member of a country club.”

Engel called splintering the NATO alliance one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s top goals.

“That’s why its so disturbing, so troubling to see the United States sending mixed signals about the alliance or treating it as a burden,” Engel said.

“This bill reiterates Congress' commitment to NATO and would prohibit withdrawal from NATO. It sends a clear message to the administration that this branch of government supports the alliance,” Engel said in a floor speech ahead of the vote.


Trump has bashed the alliance over burden sharing, made overtures to Putin and said he believes he has the authority to pull out of NATO if he chooses — even as his administration has worked to support the alliance.

The bill had four Republican cosponsors, including Texas Rep. Will Hurd, who tweeted after the vote, “These recent votes show that there is overwhelming bipartisan support from Congress, a coequal branch of government, to value our allies and stand up to our enemies.”

The vote followed news the top U.S. diplomat for Europe is resigning after only 16 months on the job. Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasian Affairs Wess Mitchell will leave his post in mid-February.

One of the bill’s co-sponsors, Rep. Tom Malinowski, D-N.J., called Congress “the only check we have” after the departure of former generals Jim Mattis as defense secretary, H.R. McMaster as national security adviser and John Kelly as chief of staff — and Nikki Haley as United Nations ambassador.

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The US , the so called peace broker was involved before any Mula was even born

 

Why stop with Iran when Russia's played a role in this too?

I say we free all of these backwards countries and stabilize them like we did Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

Is capitulation the real problem?

 

Maybe I'm naive but I really thought we had a shot of diplomacy with Iran and regardless of the odds it was a mistake for Trump to end what Obama started

 

Our colossal mistake was going to war with Iraq and freeing a country that was once an Iranian enemy. Looking back decades later, the lesson we've learned is that we should not have made that mistake. Instead, we should have gone to war with Iran, right? That takes guts and would be a bold move that would bring peace to the Middle East. GUT and SMART.

 

Israel wanted to take out Iran instead of Iraq. Cheney told them we would take em out both...

 

Iran is a major problem in the world - their religion based government is bad for a peaceful world.

Maybe some day their people can rise up and take out their oppressors.

DD

 

That's all you can hope for. One of the reasons I believe in diplomacy with Iran is because their citizens want more freedom

 

I agree. Although the thought of Iran having nuclear weapons is frightening, Trump's approach left the world that much less safe, IMO.

 

Cheney was a fool, and Bush was a fool to listen to him.

 

They deserve to be free, and have a voice.

Islamic Republics are facist by nature -

DD