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[The New Yorker] Alex Jones, the First Amendment, and the Digital Public Square

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/...first-amendment-and-the-digital-public-square

    Alex Jones, the First Amendment, and the Digital Public Square
    How should we challenge hate-mongering in the age of social media?
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    By Steve Coll

    Alex Jones has drawn millions of people to his Infowars brand by promoting conspiracy theories and noxious bigotry; he monetizes his following by selling survivalist gear and dietary supplements such as the testosterone booster Alpha Power. (“Infowarriors and Patriots of the world know that it takes real vitality to push back in the fight against the globalist agenda.”) Like President Trump, Infowars has updated for the digital era the timeworn populist tactic of manufacturing controversy to attain influence. Last week, after Apple, Facebook, and Google removed some of Infowars’ content from their platforms, Jones attracted even more attention; he described himself as the victim of “a war on free speech.” He urged his fans to back him by buying more of his stuff. (Downloads of the Infowars app soared.)

    The action by the Silicon Valley companies was, in one respect, bold: congenitally reluctant to alienate any customer, they decided to absorb the predictable outcry from the far right. In another respect, however, their decisions were routine. Social-media platforms continually censor content that they judge to be offensive or illegal. Facebook employs or contracts with thousands of “moderators” in countries such as India, Ireland, and the Philippines. With the aid of algorithms, they review more than a million pieces of flagged content daily. The moderators—censors, really—take down postings and may ban users if they detect a violation of their corporation’s rules. Such censorship is not unconstitutional. The First Amendment protects us against governmental intrusions; it does not (yet) protect speech on privately owned platforms. Still, the Internet and social media increasingly function as a “modern public square,” as Justice Anthony Kennedy put it in a 2017 Supreme Court opinion. This has created new dilemmas concerning free expression.

    The forums of Google and Facebook seem quasi-public in part because of their extraordinary reach. Facebook’s two hundred million monthly users in the U.S. constitute about three-fifths of the American population. Its algorithms and its censors’ judgments, though they inevitably affect commerce and political competition, are based upon rules that aren’t all published. When moderators at Facebook, Google, and Twitter review the appropriateness of posted content, they generally follow First Amendment-inspired principles, according to Kate Klonick, a legal scholar who analyzed the practices of the three companies in the Harvard Law Review last year. Some of the platforms’ standards are unsurprising, such as their bans on p*rnography and terrorist incitement. Other rules require moderators to block “hate speech,” an ambiguous term that, despite Facebook’s efforts at delineation, can be politicized. Still other censorship reflects sensitivities that arise from operating in dozens of countries, including some run by dictators. In 2012, Gawker obtained a Facebook contractor’s bizarrely eclectic list of topics requiring careful scrutiny. These included the poaching of endangered animals, Holocaust denial (a crime in Germany, among other countries), maps of Kurdistan, and the defamation of Atatürk.

    Despite this surveillance, extremist activists and propagandists managed to create huge numbers of fake accounts and distribute millions of pieces of made-up or incendiary content on Facebook during the 2016 election. (They also mounted propaganda campaigns on YouTube and Twitter.) Some abusers sought merely to make money; others tried to inflame and mislead voters. Russia’s state-directed interference was intended to help elect Donald Trump, according to American intelligence agencies. It took Facebook a year to discover and disclose the scale of the problem. That epic fail has altered the environment in which the company and its competitors now make decisions about content like that of Infowars.

    Facebook and YouTube have long positioned themselves as neutral platforms, akin to eBay, open to all who are willing to abide by community standards. They’ve resisted the argument that they are in fact publishers—that their human moderators and algorithms function like magazine editors who select stories and photos. But Facebook’s stance has seemed to shift recently. In April, its founder, Mark Zuckerberg, told Congress, “When people ask us whether we’re a media company or a publisher, what they’re getting at is: do we feel responsible for the content on our platform? I think the answer is clearly yes.” This is a be-careful-what-you-wish-for intersection; none of us will be happy if Silicon Valley engineers or offshore moderators start editing our ideas.

    Donald Trump and his far-right fellow-travellers have vigorously exploited the neutrality of social-media platforms. The Administration and its allies may occasionally bash Silicon Valley or pressure platform companies to remain open to alt-right channels such as Breitbart or Infowars. But Trump is unlikely to try to delegitimize the social-media giants in the way that he has sought to discredit professional journalism. The President forged his election victory on social platforms; it is by now difficult to imagine a Twitter-less Trump (and a Trump-less Twitter is an increasingly distant memory). Nor is Trump likely to endorse the tough legal steps taken recently in European countries such as Germany, where Facebook, Google, and other platforms risk fines of as much as fifty million euros if they don’t quickly remove prohibited content when notified about it.

    The First Amendment would likely preclude German-style regulation here, in any event; for better or worse, America is a nation forged from raucous speech. Yet it’s one thing to defend openness and another to tolerate malign interference in election campaigns. The challenge is to combat external propaganda and bot-farmed lies without allowing Facebook, Google, and the like to become even more powerful arbiters of news or public debate. The companies themselves must strike this balance. One way would be to do much more to affirmatively promote fact-based journalism. As for Alex Jones and his fevered legions, assuming they were subjected last week to the same rules that all other users of Apple, Google, and Facebook must comply with, they can now adapt or go elsewhere. Still, we should be wary of celebrating any instance of censorship, especially by opaque corporations. There are other ways to challenge hatemongers—at the voting booth, for example. Practices that marginalize the unconventional right will also marginalize the unconventional left. In these unsettled times, the country could use more new voices, not fewer. From its origins, the American experiment has shown that it is sometimes necessary to defend the rights of awful speakers, for the sake of principles that may help a free and diverse society renew itself. ♦

    This article appears in the print edition of the August 20, 2018, issue, with the headline “The Digital Public Square.”
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    Steve Coll, a staff writer, is the dean of the Graduate School of Journalism at Columbia University, and reports on issues of intelligence and national security in the United States and abroad. He is the author of “Private Empire: ExxonMobil and American Power.”​
     
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  2. Cohete Rojo

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    Alex Jones is nuts. His demise would be welcome. However, his demise (and others) would spell the end to a great source of strawmen for the mentally weak illiberal.
     
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    actually, Jones was the first one to spread the lie that Obama was not born in the US; Trump repeated that lie for 5 years,
    building his political base

    alex jones also spread the lie about
    Vince Foster was murdered by Bill Clinton because Foster was having an affair w Hillary
    Seth Rich was murdered by the DNC
    Hillary was running a child p*rn ring out of a pizza joint,​
    and right ring nut cases / team Trump members (Hannity and Michael Flynn) continued to parrot these lies

     
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    Gerald Dworkin on censorship and social media platforms:

    https://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quark...social-media-keeping-up-with-the-joneses.html

    excerpts:

    Censorship and social media: Keeping up with the Joneses
    Posted on Aug 20, 2018 12:55AM by Gerald Dworkin

    by Gerald Dworkin

    We (the readers of 3QD; I know there are many people who disagree) can take it as given that Alex Jones is a thoroughly evil person. Someone who spreads false statements that the parents of the children killed in the Sandy Hook shooting staged the whole thing deserves lots of bad things happening to him, e.g. lose all the money he has made from the web in a defamation suit that the parents have filed, have people boycott his dietary supplement hoax.

    The question I want to discuss here is whether he should not be allowed to use the various social-media platforms, e.g. Facebook, YouTube, Apple, Spotify, which have recently denied him access. I begin with five problematic arguments for censoring Jones. I then consider some possibly better ones.

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    The lesson to draw from all of this is that the reasons one gives to ban speech–where there are good reasons to do so–are complicated, must be drawn with as much clarity as possible, and will inevitably be subject to misuse. We should regard the use of hate speech laws in countries such as Canada, Germany and Iceland as laboratories for studying the consequences of such laws. The study of the interaction of such laws with the culture and political climate at the time of their use is in its infancy. In a time when the press is under harsh attack, and the former head of the CIA has his security clearance removed because he criticizes the President, I am not sanguine about private corporations censoring speech.

    Gerald Dworkin is a philosopher teaching at the University of California, Davis. He has taught at Harvard, MIT, and the University of Illinois at Chicago and been a Visiting Fellow of All Souls, Oxford as well as a Research Fellow at the Australian National University. From 1990-97 he was the editor of ETHICS. When not thinking about How to Live, What to Do he is thinking about Where to Eat, How to Cook. He divides his time between Sacramento and Chicago (where his two daughters and five grand-children live) and thinks the best four word sentence in English is Ring Lardner's: "Shut up he explained."
     
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  6. DaDakota

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    Private platform - he broke their terms of service. nothing to do with Free speech, he can still walk outside and yell his head off about the crap he makes up.

    1st Amendment is about the government infringing his right to speech, this is not related.....Jones is more like the Drunk uncle who comes to your house and starts spewing racism and hate, eventually you kick his ass out, this is what happened.....

    No loss...at all.

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    Exactly...the government isn't telling him that he can't speak about whatever he wants (within limits...screaming "fire in a theater, etc.)....if he wants to create his own platform to get his asstastic fake b.s. slanderous messages out, let him have at it.
     
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    While true, it is still an ethical question that has made it easy for conservatives to attack. I can certainly understand Social Media giants wanting to avoid being mouthpieces for outlandish claims an flat out lies. But when they do silence them, it only seems to strengthen the propaganda message. A damned if they do, damned if they don't scenario kind of plays out. The question is, do these companies have a bigger responsibility to prevent false information or to be home of free and open discussion? Twitter & Facebook aren't just some blog or message board like the BBS here. They are where most information is shared now. These are the biggest sources of news (albeit not the direct source, but rather just an outlet for it).

    They've definitely blocked and suspended less questionable content than Alex Jones. And those moves really call into question political motive right or wrong.
     
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    I'm old enough to remember when liberals would warn me if we didn't have net neutrality that private companies (ISPs) would start censoring speech they didn't like. So far ISPs aren't filtering anything, but liberal social media sites are.....

    If I was head of a social media company this would be such an easy issue. Just say ' this company is not built to be arbiters of what is and isn't true. Same with hate speech. Therefore we will let individuals decide for themselves. We have also built out a robust API for those third party companies who want to build out filters and offer to our customers. '
     
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    Bolded the key part there. That wasn't and isn't the biggest fear of Net Neutrality going away. The downsides will happen over time and the biggest problem is so many households only have one legitimate option for ISP (I'm limited to Cox).
     
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    LOL... you and the rest of us know that isn't what Net Neutrality supporters worried about, certainly not the most important concern. But sure...

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    That logic is the same reason why I assume you are I assume with one of your heroes Rand Paul who thinks restaurant owners should be able to serve only white people if that is what they want.
     
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    I think the whole social media and free speech is very interesting and sort of like if the original inventor of the TV had proclaimed it was his property right to only put the speech or news he wanted over the air.

    Facebook, twitter, etc. should have more or less the same relationship to the internet as the TV stations have to the airwaves.
     
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    Barry Goldwater would be a better example.

    If you are afraid that some private companies (ISPs) might hinder speech, shouldn't you be more concerned that other private companies (social media sites) are currently doing that exact thing?
     
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    Twitter and others have the right to deplatform Alex Jones. I do not believe that the “public utility” argument is strong enough of an argument.

    Having said that, it is a big mistake for them to do so. They are setting themselves up to have to constantly filter content and make decisions that people will not agree on.
     
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    It isn't about speech so much as favoring sites over others (mostly large ones that pay up, or force me to pay some sort of crazy ala carte plan). And due to a lack of choice, requires government intervention to prevent such action.

    I stated I have misgivings about the actions of Facebook & Twitter given their size. I would prefer they just live with what they are, even if it is unfair propaganda.
     
  17. tallanvor

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    total straw man. Nobody made that argument......

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/bye-net-neutrality.286553/page-6#post-11443675

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/is-anybody-opposed-to-net-neutrality.188571/



    Now of course when private companies actually are hindering/blocking speech , unlike in their hypothetical, its no big deal.
     
  18. NewRoxFan

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    Again... re-read what I wrote carefully, especially the part following the word "certainly"...

    Here's a definition of the term "straw man argument:

     
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    While you have the freedom to say whatever nonsense you want, that freedom does imply that every media platform is required to help you spread your nonsense.
     
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