"There was no legitimate leave scenario that Labour supported" https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/22/jeremy-corbyn-uk-better-off-brexit-deal-right Corbyn suggests UK could be better off after Brexit if deal is right Corbyn is the leader of the party and has strongarmed it against huge opposition to agree to his opinion which is that Labour is NOT a remain party but only a 2nd referendum party with a new Labour Brexit deal having been negotiated. You are wrong and have repeated the same mistake again and again after so many times you have been told that. In fact there is a very good reason why Corbyn refuses to back Remain. He has been a Brexiteer long before Brexit happened, and Labour wants to retain the votes of the north midlands.
The Leavers know better. He is trying to salvage those midland votes, like you said. It is naked political posturing, and nothing more. However, Labour will not in the end actually support a real Brexit. As a Remainer, you may still be a little confused about that. But former members of the Labour party who voted to Leave, are not.
What that has to do with closing down the parliament for 5 weeks? A referendum , let alone an advisory one- surpasses the will of the people only in fascist countries. It does NOT give a carte blanche for the government to become a dictatorship by closing down parliaments. "The nation and the government in Germany are one thing. The will of the people is the will of the government and vice versa. The modern structure of the German State is a higher form of democracy [ennobled democracy] in which, by virtue of the people’s mandate, the government is exercised authoritatively while there is no possibility for parliamentary interference, to obliterate and render ineffective the execution of the nation’s will."" Joseph Goebbells
11-0 unanimous verdict. I have to say I am surprised. I expected for sure 2 to 3 judges to be in favour of the government. These judges are very constitutionally conservative and have ruled in favour of the government all the time. But even them here voted against it. Which goes to say the significance of this decision. The poor british democracy. Look at this. It has to depend on the supreme court and some posh elite english conservative judges to protect itself from fascism. That's what happens with no coded constitutions. That's why only 5 countries in the world don't have one, one of which is Saudi Arabia. The UK still hasn't learned the lesson the rest of the world has LONG known. Still living in the middle ages. SAD.
Wrong again. Parliament is NOT in recess. It had been illegally prorogued. The supreme court verdict said that the proroguation is null unlawful and void which means the parliament is open and not in any kind of recess. In fact, they didn't even had the grace to give the authority to the government to remedy the situation they directly surpassed the PM and gave the authority to the Speakers of the Houses. From tomorrow both parliaments will reopen. Also there is a very good reason that Corbyn refuses to have a vote of no confidence. A vote of no confidence, reopens the possibillity of a no deal Brexit by accident. Also they will not win it. Former Tory MPs still refuse to fall the government as long as an extension hasn't been secured.
I am not a Remainer or a Leaver. I am a citizen of another country that has no right to vote in british referendums, like you are. Since when are you a Leaver exactly? Did you vote for Leave? Did you vote for a Brexit party in the european parliament elections or General Elections? Leave or Remain aren't football teams you can just support from afar. When your life will not be affected at all with what happens to the british four nations. Do you have a support party in every country? Are you also a LegaNorder in Italy, a National Fronter in France, a VOXer in Spain? lol Also congratulations on having the abillity to predict what the Labour strongholds in the north midlands will vote, when no official psephologist with degrees and diplomas can say.
Lol.... All Populists are good for is chaos. The Brexit losers can’t do anything.... tough to govern when all you have is emotion.
He’s a populist nostalgia supporter. They prefer to live in the past and not adapt to a new world. The problem is they bought the US conservative notion of capitalism but the Dems were more correct about it in practice. This is there temper tantrum against their false views of capitalism.
This went beyond that. It was an attempt of dictatorship tactics. Looking at history it is very fascinating. The british democracy still with its lack of proper constitutional protection, had survived for 6 centuries without the need of a supreme court to reign in the fascist tendencies of the government. It had been relying on the "gentleman good chap" to work, the idea that these politicians- all of them educated in Cambridge Oxford and Eaton will have the needed sense of proprieteness not to take advantage of the huge loopholes and abuse their powers. Populism is not a recent phenomenon, demogogues appear every so often. However only in the modern ages, they finally reached the age of complete shamelessness where a Prime Minister is found to have lied to the Queens face. But Boris Johnson's shameless goes even beyond that, because he still has no the minimum shame to resign. He has cemented now his role in history as the first and only liar Prime Minister condemned by the supreme judiciary authorities. What does it say about our modern times, that a centuries old system, however faulty by design but yet still functional and largely admired worldwide, has to immediately reconstruct itself to protect the people from the politicians?
Speaker Bercow and the Remainer Parliament, including about 22 ex-Tory MP's, are refusing to allow Parliament to recess for the Conservative Party Conference. As far as I am aware, this is unprecedented. And of course the Labour and Lib Dem Parties have already held their conferences. Boris Johnson REFUSED Parliament break for Tory conference – MPs plot to thwart Brexit MPs in the House of Commons have rejected a Parliamentary recess to allow the Conservative Party to hold their conference. Boris Johnson was forced to return to the House of Commons on Wednesday after the Supreme Court ruled against the Prime Minister's decision to suspend Parliament on Tuesday morning. On Thursday afternoon MPs voted to block a recess to allow the Tory Party conference, with the Labour Party and Liberal Democrats already holding their annual conferences earlier this month. The House of Commons voted by 306 voted to 289, a majority of 17, to block the Parliamentary break. Several former Tory ministers who now sit as Independent MPs opposed the recess motion. MPs including Amber Rudd, Ken Clarke, David Gauke, Justine Greening and Dominic Grieve voted against the motion. This is clearly these people just being petty, hateful and downright nasty. I could be wrong, but I suspect that there will be a lot of voters in the next election that will see this behavior the same way.
The Tories would have passed the motion for a short recess if Boris Johnson didn't insult the dead yesterday. Bringing up a murdered MP and insulting her memory ..how more low could he go?
October 31 is still the official date of Brexit, with or without a deal, according to both EU and UK law. Tick tock.
Nope, wrong. According to UK law 31 October is the date to ask for an extension to postpone Brexit without a deal. This is the official law of the land and whoever doesn't comply to this is a criminal.
The right score is 8-0. 6-0 before illegal proroguation. 1-0 in the supreme court 1-0 after illegal proroguation. The current score of Boris Johnson as PM. He hasn't won a single vote in parliament yet. LMAO
The U.K. Supreme Court Just Humiliated Boris Johnson And then, on Tuesday, the British Supreme Court took a sledgehammer to what remained of Johnson’s legitimacy: In a historic 11-0 ruling, the U.K.’s high court found the prime minister’s suspension of Parliament “was unlawful because it had the effect of frustrating or preventing the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions without reasonable justification.” As such, “the prime minister’s advice to Her Majesty was unlawful, void and of no effect.” http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/uk-supreme-court-boris-johnson-brexit.html
Until that is done - if it is done - October 31 is still the legal UK date of Brexit. But in truth, the UK law is secondary. What matters is EU law. And that date is without question October 31. You cannot plausibly even spin that one.
No, according to the UK law it is not October 31 IF no deal has been reached. The government is obliged to ask for an extension and can't Brexit the country. There is no spin in that, only Brexemists delusions who believe they are above the law. The EU retains the right to say to the UK to fo and refuse the extension but they will certainly not when millions of EU citizens may be suddendly stranded in a country with no rights of even residence. That is another delusion if you hope of an extension refusal.
I am well aware of that. Even the 2 government cronies judges voted against the proroguation. But Johnson's score is 8-0 as a PM. He may well end his carreer as a PM without winning a single vote with the way he is going, insulting the memory of murder victims in public speeches.
