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The future of the EU and the UK, post-Brexit

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. malakas

    malakas Member

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    Said quote is his personal opinion not a plan or explanation. Hence means nothing. It is inconceivable for him but yet nothing has been done to avoid it. =)
    Why can't you admit that you were making things up when you were claiming that no bilateral agreements were needed?

    Unfortunately for uk citizens from 1st april their planes and the lisences of their pilots count for nothing under EU law and are prohibited from flying over or landing on every neighbouring and surrounding country.
    Their US open skies agreement hasn't been finalised yet and is on worse terms than the one they had under the EU and there's no known agreement with any other third country.

    Good work on negotiating from a position of strength. First results are already here.

    Can't wait for the aviation paper to be published in the few next days so your pointless trolling can end.
    The consequences of crashing out are real and imminent unless the british government can get their **** together.

    Less than 200 days left.
     
  2. Bandwagoner

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    Ah, just a flat out liar then. Here are my quotes

    "the ICAO does not consist of bilateral agreements"


    "The ICAO is not the EU and it is not bilateral."

    I fully admit to typing the above and they also happen to be factual. I also fully understand why you don't want the UK to leave. And unlike your lies here, that is a perfectly reasonable thing.
     
  3. Exiled

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    They've sureplus no. of Doctors with limited available positions and not so lucrative salaries or the best reputation of Board quality, though they're decent.
    I have seen their offersheet in Canada , exactly 40% paid less (for experienced candidates) than their Canadians newly licensed counterparts , they work as fellows who are not fully licensed limited mainly to remote areas , I think they work in the US under the same principal with absence of USMLE cert.
     
  4. malakas

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    Well there we are.
    6 MPs resigned today, noone likes the deal and May's government may soon fall.
    Unless there is a second referendum they are heading to a no deal Brexit.
     
  5. pirc1

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    No deal Brexit sounds like a great win for Britain's MEGA groups.
     
  6. MojoMan

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    No deal is what is needed here. It will make for a bit of a bumpy ride through the transition. However, they will get it all worked out.

    England was an independent country for over a thousand years before it became a member of the EU and it did just fine. It will be fine for another thousand years after it leaves the EU again. This too shall pass.

    Here is a picture taken today of Theresa May's likely replacement, by the way:

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  7. malakas

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    It is not England. It is the United Kingdom.

    People have no clue about Northern Ireland still right? It was the fact that both countries were in the EU that was written in the Good Friday aggreement that stopped the violence in 1998. That's the reason why noone dares to have a hard border.
     
  8. da_juice

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    Yeah anyone who's been to Belfast or Derry can attest that it's still a very tense climate and a hard Brexit might be the shock to the status quo that starts to unravel things. I doubt things get as bad as they did in the 6ps but Brexit won't help for sure
     
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  9. malakas

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    I talked to some middle aged Irish people a couple of weeks ago. The stories they told me were horrifying. People grew up in fear of even looking the soldiers in the wrong way when passing through the border for fear of being shot at.
    Young people now have grown up in peace and with the borders open. A lot of them live on one side but work on the other. They won't be able to do that if there's no deal.
    Nationalism is still here though.
     
  10. dachuda86

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    Nationalism is bad isn't it? Unless it's for a super state like the EU. ;)
     
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  11. No Worries

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    TL;DNR

    Is a "no deal Brexit" still a Brexit?

    What does a second referendum decide? A hard or soft Brexit? Or kiss-and-make-up with EU?

    I have enough trouble keeping track of American politics ...
     
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  12. MojoMan

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    The UK will be leaving the EU on March 29, 2019. The two year exit process leading up to this exit was initiated by the UK invoking "Article 50" of the Lisbon Treaty, which is the provision that outlines the procedures for a nation choosing to leave the EU.

    Brexit: Article 50 has been triggered - what now?

    The invoking of article 50 was agreed to by a vote of Parliament. Once Article 50 was invoked in a letter provided to the EU by UK PM Teresa May, that began a two year exit period, at the end of which the UK will no longer be a member of the EU, regardless of whether any additional agreements are agreed to, or not.

    The UK has subsequently passed a law making existing EU law the law of the UK after they leave, until the UK passes laws establishing alternative arrangements within the UK. Some of this is very complicated and ideally there will be additional agreements between the EU and the UK for handling these transitional arrangements. Regarding trade, without a trade agreement between the UK and the EU, the same WTO trade arrangements that are used between the US and the EU will be used between the UK and the EU.

    Since they already have extremely streamlined customs process between the UK and the EU, it is desirable to maintain as much of this as possible - without making the UK subservient to the EU. This is a major point of contention within the UK government. It is made more difficult by the desire of many in the EU leadership to "punish" the UK for deciding to leave, which they believe is necessary to make sure to discourage any other EU countries from leaving.

    As a result, a mature, dispassionate, rational agreement between the EU and the UK does not appear to be achievable at this time. Agreements can still be negotiated after the UK leaves the EU about anything the two sides want to agree about. But as far as a comprehensive agreement that covers all of the bases and makes way for a smooth transition for both sides, that does not appear to be happening.

    So, the transition will be bumpy and unnecessarily difficult for both sides. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. And eventually they will negotiate agreements and get this worked out, one way or another. But what this means is that they have opted not to do it the easy way.
     
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  13. Cohete Rojo

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    You make it sound like the European Union played a central role in the cessation of hostilities. The European Union is referenced in the Good Friday agreement but was hardly a central theme.

    The "EU" isn't mentioned until the 10th page and the "European Union" in-full is not mentioned until 14th page. I disagree with your assertion that "it was the fact that both countries were in the EU" which "stopped the violence in 1998". Also, neither country is in the Schengen Area.

    https://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/IE GB_980410_Northern Ireland Agreement.pdf

    It's not bad if it leads to the end of the USSR.

    Oh wait! That's right -- there are numerous communists, former communists, and communist sympathizers within the higher ranks of the EU. No wonder they hate nationalism.
     
  14. dmoneybangbang

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    Are you confusing nationalism with patriotism?
     
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    I think this is likely true. A no deal Brexit is infinitely more desirable than Theresa May's idea of becoming a vassal of Merkel's 4th Reich.
     
  16. biff17

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    WOW?
     
  17. dachuda86

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    no... and I am Not using Macron's incorrect ideas regarding those terms. He is a snake oil salesman of false ideology. Those terms are largely being twisted and misunderstood now despite being simple. Macron is a globalist and twists nationalism in ways to make it look negative, including the falsity that ww1 was caused by nationalism. ww1 was caused by globalists like him and nationalism and patriotism were convenient recruitment tools for France of all places to help them at the end of the day.
     
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  18. dmoneybangbang

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    Nope. Nationalism was a factor in WW1 and WW2 and Macron correctly identifies that. Macron also correctly identifies that it is smarter to be in a trade bloc of 520 million people with the largest economy than doing it on your own.
     
  19. Nolen

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    Um, who were the globalists you're referring to in 1910s?
     
  20. Commodore

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    I fear Nigel is right, they are setting the stage for a 2nd referendum

     

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