No-deal Brexit wasn't ever going to happen, but Brexit should happen now by January or March or whatever the deadline was. They will pass Johnson's deal, which amusingly is a little worse than May's original deal that rejected. But it finally went to the people again, and they got to vote on specifics, and now they can move forward. And yes, they are going to screw over NI in the process, but no one seems to care anymore, and NI doesn't have the votes to do anything about it. Also worth noting - the far-left in the US needs to see what they can learn here. Brexit was a cross-current in this election, but the nation was pretty divided 50/50 on that, so it didn't necessarily favor either side. But Labour opted to go hard-left instead of simply running to stop Boris. And as a result, a really unpopular Trump-clone & unpopular party dominated an election they had no business winning - partly because Labour's lead candidate was terrible, and partly because their manifesto was batshit crazy, IMO.
The final results of the 2019 UK Parliamentary Election: 365 - Conservatives 203 - Labour 048 - SNP 011 - Lib Dems 008 - DUP 007 - Sinn Fien 008 - Other This is an 80 seat majority for the Tories. Since the effective threshold for winning a vote in Parliament is 320, that means that the Tories can have as many as 44 members of their party defect on any particular vote - and still win the vote. The term "Landslide" tends to be thrown around too cavalierly sometimes, along with the term "Bombshell". This result is definitively both of these things, in no uncertain terms. Not only will Brexit be completed easily now, but the entire Tory platform will be processed through Parliament and as quickly or as slowly as they desire to do it. Not only did the globalist establishment left opponents of democracy and Brexit lose this election in truly epic fashion, but they also lost the propaganda war through which they have controlled the minds of the people. Globalism was set back 40 years or more by the combination of this election result and the UK's impending exit from the EU. For their steadfastness, for their collective wisdom, for their bravery and for their commitment to democracy, freedom and liberty, people the world over owe the British people a debt of gratitude and great respect. Well done. Very well done.
If the leftists in the UK had any sense, they would literally be in a physical state of shock right now, in advance of progressing through the five stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance). Then they would rethink their world view and start trying to assemble an agenda that can actually work for the people, and not just for virtue signalling purposes. I hope they will. But if they behave anything like our leftists here, they will bog down in the denial and anger stages and stubbornly refuse to progress beyond that. They have already tried calling their adversaries racists and Russian stooges and whatnot, so what justification they might present for this continued intransigence is not clear at this stage. In any case, this behavior pattern is seriously unhealthy. Not only for them, but for society as a whole. They need to get past all of this. And we need for them to get past it, too. As you suggested, that applies to the Democrat left here as well as the Labour left in the UK and elsewhere
I don't have a dog in the fight, but betting markets still have "no deal in place/no action by the end of 2021" as the leading odds choice. There is plenty of squabbling and negotiating left to do, even within the conservative party itself. If Johnson manages to squeak out a non-brexit brexit (especially on his promised timeline) he should be commended for managing to thread that needle. Labour was in an impossible position of trying to appease a coalition with diametrically opposing views on Brexit. Bank left and you lose (even worse) in the North. Bank right and you lose people to the centrist Liberal Democrats in the South. They could only feasibly run on a second referendum. Making the best of a bad situation, really.
A deal has already been negotiated by the Johnson government with the EU and it already passed parliament once. And that was before the election. They then stopped it in its tracks by voting against the proposed timetable for implementation. That is when they finally agreed to hold the election which occurred yesterday. So the deal is done and the Prime Minister has announced that the new Parliament will vote on it again next week, this time with the Tories riding with an 80 seat majority. Brexit: Boris Johnson to act swiftly in bringing deal back to MPs Boris Johnson plans to bring his Brexit deal back to parliament next week, as his Conservative party was predicted to have its best general election result since 1987 after more than nine years in government. With Thursday night’s exit poll putting the Tories on course for an 86-seat majority, the prime minister intends to push ahead with his election pledge to have MPs vote on his withdrawal agreement by Christmas, and for the UK to leave the EU by the end of January. If the exit poll is correct, parliament is set to return on Tuesday with a Conservative government, which will move the second reading of the withdrawal agreement bill next Friday, 20 December. As far as a trade deal, that was always going to come later. Interim trade arrangements can be agreed to very quickly. And a more comprehensive trade deal will be negotiated as quickly as possible, as long as the arrogant leaders of the EU do not continue to take the posture that they are going to impose their rule on the British, whether they like it or not. If they do that, that will draw these negotiations out and they will take much longer than they need to. And that will be the EU's fault - Again.
I think it's sad that you think this is a good thing. Globalism has brought literally billions of people around the world out of poverty and famine, ended the endless massive wars and conquering of territory that covered all of human history prior, brought tons of scientific and technological progress, etc. But since it hasn't worked perfectly (inequality, etc), people decided its terrible and that the previous way was better. It's extraordinarily stupid, and the UK is no way better off for it in the short or long run. But their people had the opportunity to make a choice and they did so.
Where are you seeing that? I'm seeing it for 2019 certainly, but for Feb 2020, I'm seeing 80% Brexit: https://www.predictit.org/markets/d...K-officially-exit-the-European-Union-by-Feb-1 Now that said, there is something like a 2 year transition period after the deal is done, so maybe that's what that refers to? It gives them time to sort out all the details that would have just crashed in a no-deal Brexit. I agree on that part - they were caught in the middle of a mess on Brexit. But I think they made their situation far worse also running on a far-left platform. It pushed a lot of people to centrist LibDems or even Tories who ran on a more moderate platform outside of Brexit. I think the far-left consistently overestimates how many people support their policies - it's a lot of energy, but not a lot of volume in terms of sheer number of people. And Corbyn being the face of it was horrible - Bernie or Warren would certainly do better than that, and the US is a totally different beast than the UK, but I do think there are some warning signs there.
I think this is also true in the US. I am not sold on Warren or Sander or AOC types. I would like to have someone like Pete(not likely), Biden or Bloomberg.
Globalism has NOT done any of the things that you have said. Globalism and international trade are not the same thing. Donald Trump is an internationalist. Boris Johnson is an internationalist. But neither of them are "Globalists". You need to understand the difference. Internationalism = good. Globalism = evil.
It hasn’t lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty? It hasn’t increase trade between nations? Expand the difference between globalism and internationalism? I think you prefer Mercantilism and aren’t a fan of personal responsibility.
Globalism is about centralizing political, social and economic control through multinational organizations that transcend the authority of individual nations and their governments, with the apparent ultimate goal of implementing a one-world government. Internationalism is the voluntary interaction of nations with each other in terms of political alignments, social interactions, and economic trade and advancement - without any need to submit to an unaccountable, overreaching and imposing global authoritarianism. It is based on the ideas of market economics, freedom and liberty among these nations.
So curious watching conservatives love the government picking winners and losers, eh comrade? What you don’t realize, is that it’s Reagonomics that you don’t like.
So glad you feel that way, as you watch President Trump voluntarily take us out of the Paris Climate Accords, effectively end the WTO Appeals process, exit Obama's Iran Nuclear enablement agreement, etc. And also the UK's voluntary exit from the EU.
Major you need to learn this quickly: Internationalism = Good -- Globalism = Evil. Expect and accept a pop quiz -- no exceptions.
Seemed to me the Paris Accords would have been a great time push for US natural gas when we had then Secretary of State Rex Tillerson... So again there’s no difference between “globalism” and “internationalism”, all those agreements you mentioned were voluntary. We were in the midst of modernizing of trade with the TPP but Trump took the TPP framework and used it unilaterally. So now we will have an inefficient system where rules differ between countries. Not very internationalist... Of course you aren’t considering long term ramifications. Now the U.K. can be a vassal state of the US or China instead of the EU?
Mojo man wants mercantilism but just doesn’t want to admit that government involvement is good after being so anti Obama. His ilk spent so much time being “free market” under Obama.
