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[The Atlantic]How Much Is Jeremy Lin Really Worth to an NBA Team?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by the_hustler, Jul 16, 2012.

  1. Mav-Hater

    Mav-Hater Contributing Member

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    Hey DD or whichever troll's sniper account this is.....didn't you say one time you could coach but you choose not to. Could you also be our GM but you "choose" not to?
     
  2. Morey=Money

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    EXACTLY Howard(Lin Factor) + Chinese faithful = Mega Money

    If Chuck Hayes can get a shoe deal over there what would Howard get?

    His own Beijing clothing label?

    Hell they might just give him Beijing period.
     
  3. BEARCLAW

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    Whether people here believe it or not, having Lin on the team is gonna get the Rockets more national media coverage and more national TV games.

    As much as ESPN seems to "hate" the Rockets, "Lin = ratings" so they will be changing their tune once he's on the team.

    Everyone involved who has a financial stake in this will kissing China's collective tush.

    THAT is the biggest reason why Houston wants this guy back. Like Yao, the Asian community loves this guy, buys his jersey, and becomes fans of whatever team he's on. He's a "cash cow".

    I'm sure the Rockets will be playing it up to the hilt for both the money & the attention Lin brings...
     
  4. BEARCLAW

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    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/1gnFgwbkr78" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    :p
     
  5. supa

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    About as intelligent as creating multiple user handles just so you can post on a message board.
     
  6. Dreamshake1

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    Troll? Never. Just disgusted with the direction of the my beloved team. A little disappointed in the name calling and lack of basketball knowledge from some of you. You can't even defend the Morey's moves anymore, so that makes everybody a "troll" for speaking truth. Great defense:)

    Meanwhile our team has absolutely no identity or directon. 3 years from now when we're still in the same position hopefully have a better understanding of where Im coming from
     
  7. Dreamshake1

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    Thats a interesting accusation:rolleyes:

    I guess when you run out of excuses for the GM just change the subject quick as possible. Nice rebuttal
     
  8. supa

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    No one on this end is making excuses for Morey, he has made his bed.

    But to keep matters simple for you and on subject why do you insist on making new handles to post under after you have been run off from a message board.
     
  9. liveguy

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    Spot on.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/47858/jeremy-lin-played-well

    People are saying all kinds of horrible things about Jeremy Lin now.

    One idea is that he's all about the money -- even though he may lead the league in endorsements declined.

    Another idea is that he is not very competitive -- even though he has been fending off skeptics with hard work and great play for half a decade.

    Another idea suggested here and there is that he's not worth a medium-sized NBA contract because he's not that good of a player, especially on defense.

    Here's where the whole project starts to reek of revisionist history. My two cents:

    Jeremy Lin IS a risk because he has only played at an elite level for 886 minutes, and everything about that has the chance to be a little fluky. Regression to the mean can hurt.
    Jeremy Lin IS a risk because after that short stint playing long minutes, he was injured. It seems a little nuts to project his health for the next 246 regular season games (three seasons, or the scope of his next contract) when he was shelved after his first 26 games of regular playing time. With Greg Oden as my witness, some bodies aren't meant for the NBA grind. There's no special reason to suspect Lin will have trouble, but you'd feel better if he had 200 NBA games under his belt.
    Jeremy Lin IS NOT a risk because during the 26 games of Linsanity he didn't play very well. The simple truth is that, even if you count in his bad games, he was tremendous.


    One of the simplest glances at a players' effect is to tally how the team plays when that player is on the floor. Plus/minus is an imprecise tool, but it's no good ignoring it entirely. It's like looking outside to guess what the weather will be like -- look at the satellite image too, but don't forget to look at the sky. It's the heart of common sense.

    And it cuts through a lot of hocus-pocus. Box score stats can make superstars out of players who put up big numbers without winning much. Case in point: Carmelo Anthony.

    The fact is the Knicks were very good with Lin on the floor. Far better than they were with Carmelo Anthony, Tyson Chandler or Amare Stoudemire. BasketballValue's rankings show that if you adjust for the other nine players on the floor -- who he's playing with and against -- Lin was literally the Knick who enjoyed the most success last year.

    Even in terms of raw plus/minus, simply tallying the team's performance when Lin played, he was one of a small handful of Knicks who were starkly in the positive last season. Anthony, Chandler and Stoudemire all played much more, and therefore had much more opportunity to both fail or succeed, but all were squarely negative.

    Setting aside team effects, and cleverly rounding up scoring, rebounding, assists and other box score contributions, Lin was the second-best Knick in terms of PER, just behind Anthony and among point guards squarely in the Steve Nash/Ty Lawson range. Lin's also better than Raymond Felton by virtually every measurable method.

    Nate Silver has done some rough-and-ready projections, for The New York Times, about the value of a good point guard. Anything close to last year's productivity and Lin is worth what the Rockets are offering -- simply for his play on the court.

    Of course, in a discussion about money, Lin's impact cannot be ignored on the business side, where he is second only to LeBron James in terms of potential to affect a team's bottom line. Teams don't profit directly from jersey sales, but in-arena sponsorships, local TV deals, ticket sales and overall team value could all reasonably be expected to jump on any team Lin plays for.

    There are reasons not to pay Lin a ton of money, mostly to do with the fact that it's hard to know what you're going to get. But less fuzzy is what the Knicks actually got, which was stellar play that resulted in the Knicks outplaying opponents.

    Let's not be confused about that.

    As long as that's so, the only really powerful reason I can see for the Knicks to let Lin walk is if they have other, better plans for those dollars and cap space down the road -- perhaps, as has long been whispered, Chris Paul.
     
  10. Dreamshake1

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    Quite an accusation. What's the previous screen name I was ran off under?
     
  11. rocketseagles07

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    I'm still trying to figure out why fans care about how much money the rockets make, national media coverage, espn, etc. Last time I checked none of that translates to wins, and winning is the only thing I care about...
     
  12. crimsonghost

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    Dragic wanted a 4th year player option. Morey made his plans for 3 years and didn't budge for the most part the 4th year was team option. Morey stayed with in the confines of his plan as he had it laid out probably before free agency started.
     
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    Is it just me or does Dreamshake1 sound JUST like DD? His post count is rapidly rising ever since the ban of his previous moniker(s) as well.
     
  14. TISNF

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    Clearly Morey ignored Dragic's financial impact on the Slovenian market. Clearly.
     
  15. rocketjunkie

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    Absolutely correct. Repped.
     
  16. Dreamshake1

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    Lmao. You guys must be working PR for Morey. Let me guess, anybody who doesn't agree with Morey or the majority of this message board must be trollin??? Lol. You obviously ran out of basketball rebuttals so now your trying to discredit me.

    Since Im supposedly posting under different monikers, where is your proof? Just making up stuff makes you look weak as a poster. If defending Morey makes you this emotional then you shouldn't be on a HOUSTON ROCKET fansite.

    Lets keep it basketball guys;)
     
  17. smoothie_king

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    he should be playing in the summer league to proves the critics wrong, but he's living off of the hype from those other games, the 26 games.
     
  18. JuanValdez

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    :confused: He has to have a team to play in the summer league.
     
  19. HollaIFyaHEMI

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    He sounds nothing like him. Move on.
     
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