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[Texas Justice] Galveston officers on horseback led a black suspect through the streets by rope.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Xerobull, Aug 6, 2019.

  1. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    Yeah. No.

    Comparing apples to atom bombs is what opens the door to actual racist crap.
     
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  2. AleksandarN

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    So you have one set of people who have been through hell and back due racial injustice not to overact to imaginary that harkens back to the dark days of history.
     
  3. Nook

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    Just stop it, it is ridiculous.

    What happened to ET and the trial and investigation are multiple levels above what the Galveston PD did. There are no allegations of an improper arrest, no allegations of police brutality or suspension of civil rights.

    I don’t like the training or protocol. I have personal experience witnessing a family member being wrongly arrested and roped and cuffed like the man in Galveston. It has bothered me to this day - but it is nothing like ET. The policy and protocol need to change... but stop disrespecting what happened to a child not that many years ago.
     
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    Waylon Jennings - Juss da gud ol boys... Makin' their way only way they know how...
     
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    Question would you be ok if that was you being lead down the street like that.
     
  6. JuanValdez

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    Evoking Till is not a comparison on degree. What happened to Till happened because his assailants felt they had impunity. That when it came to black people who transgressed in some way, they could do whatever they wanted and no one would hold them accountable. They didn't murder every black person they came across, but likely disrespected them and abused them in smaller ways without any recourse taken against them and they learned they could get away with murder. To avoid the large transgressions, you need to make sure everyone is accountable for small transgressions. Remembering Till is perfectly appropriate, imo.

    With all the headlines on this incident, I have not been able to get a google hit that can explain in what situation tying a person to a horse actually improves public safety. But, I don't agree this is about optics, it's about treating everyone with a certain minimum of human dignity. I don't think you can sacrifice on treating people like human beings on some cop-out about public safety. You should be able to explain the gravity of the risk very clearly and have everyone nodding their heads if you're going to justify treating someone in this way.
     
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    It's to make an example so the other black folks rebel, go crazy and start raping everywhere.
     
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  8. Nook

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    In the past they have tied people to the horse when they have had to deal with crowd control, such as at Mardi Gras. There are times where it would be dangerous for an officer to get off his horse. Mounting and dismounting a horse could be an officer at risk.

    I don't know if this is standard or not. I can tell you that I witnessed it as a child and in that case it did not seem necessary, especially if a car was available.
     
  9. REEKO_HTOWN

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    Next time the next finical crisis hits I wanna see Bernie Madoff towed on the streets via horse back.

    You know why you won't see that? Yeah, you know.

    Dave Chappelle had a great skit about how we treat people different when it comes to the law.
     
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    This is racism
     
  11. DonnyMost

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    Defining "OK" might help. Would I feel like I was being purposefully humiliated (any time the police detain you or arrest you it's pretty humiliating)? Depends on the circumstance. If there was no reason for the officers to move me, then I might feel a bit annoyed.

    Throwing Till's name around in this instance is a good way to:

    1) Inflame a situation pre-maturely
    2) Diminish the value of his memory
    3) Draw attention away from actual and overt racism

    I'm not shocked. I don't expect police handbooks or operations manuals to be laying around the net everywhere.

    Either way, I can likely guarantee you it isn't codified anywhere that if two mounted police officers arrest a black man and need to move him that one should dismount and walk with the suspect to avoid hurting anyone's feelings.

    If it was about human dignity then people would have taken issue with this practice long, long before now.

    Most respondents in this thread seem to agree (even myself) this was simply bad optics.

    Nobody has really reported thoroughly on what happened and the circumstances, so I'm inclined to withhold assumption of negative intent until then. In the meantime, I'm leaning towards the simpler explanation before moving onto more lurid, scandalous ones.
     
  12. DonnyMost

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    Mardi Gras is the first thing that came to my mind. Festivals, concerts, and protests are places you see this most often.

    It's probably an exercise in futility to sit around pretending to be armchair policing procedural experts.
     
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    Best name 2019.
     
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    Seems like some permutation on Godwin's Law. Which is also stupid.

    I took issue with it as soon as I learned about this practice. I wouldn't like it any better if we were talking about Mardi Gras.

    The police chief said they had no malicious intent, and I'm accepting that without any evidence to the contrary. I never said they were racist or malicious or anything else. I never said they should be fired or reprimanded. I just said it was degrading to tie a person to an animal and, given our history, has big racial implications when you escort a black suspect that way. If the simple explanation is that they train officers to do this because it is safer or more expedient or whatever, they should revisit that policy because it sucks.
     
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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-apologize-leading-black-man-rope/1934537001/
     
  16. Invisible Fan

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    OUTRAGEOUS

    Kids these days treat their elders with NO RESPECT.

    I want demand O'Reily blow a gasket over this internet suggestion!
     
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    Actually it is not ridiculous. Knowing why people are making a big of this is the reason I bring up ET. Telling African Americans or others, that it is an overreaction, either is not understanding or choosing ignore the painful history African Americans had through.
     
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    It is racist to make this a racial issue. I just see horsemen bringing in an arrest. Skin color is irrelevent unless you view the world in a racist manner. Usually people obsessed with skin color do this. Would you rather they hog tie him and put him across the horse's ass? This is how you transport a captive when you have to move your horse. He was not dragged or mistreated.
     

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