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Starting a war the old way. Or does it really matter?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by wnes, Jun 22, 2005.

  1. wnes

    wnes Contributing Member

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    [Note from the poster: Does the author honestly believe the Bush gang couldn't make up something to look like this War is provoked?]

    Starting a war the old way
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    By Ed Quillen
    Denver Post Columnist

    Some well-meaning people are expressing outrage at the Bush administration following the disclosure of previously secret British memoranda from 2002, the year before the United States and Great Britain invaded Iraq.

    It seems that President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair were discussing ground battle plans, and for the immediate future, the U.S. Air Force and Royal Air Force would increase their activity while patrolling a "no-fly zone" over Iraq. In March 2002, no bombs were dropped; in August, 14.1 metric tons fell on Iraq.

    There were two reasons for this. One was to soften the Iraqi air defenses to make an invasion safer, should it come to that. The other was to provoke Saddam Hussein into retaliating against the British and American warplanes, thereby providing a rationale for an invasion.

    In ways, it's too bad that Hussein didn't cooperate, for that is the American way of going to war: Goad the other guy into firing the first shot.

    The tradition may have started in 1846. Texas had declared its independence from Mexico in 1836, and the Republic was annexed by the United States in 1845, despite announcements from Mexico that this would mean war.

    There was also some disagreement as to the boundary of Texas. Everything east of the Nueces River was definitely Texas. Everything south or west of the Rio Grande was definitely Mexico. The land in between was in contention.

    President James K. Polk wanted to get the land from Mexico, but it was not a good political move to invade Mexico without provocation. So he sent soldiers into the disputed territory past the Nueces. That was done "in order to force Mexico to initiate war," according to one of the soldiers, Lt. Ulysses S. Grant.

    Eventually, the shots were fired, though it wasn't clear on just whose soil. One congressman from Illinois kept demanding to know the exact spot, and became known as "Spotty Lincoln" on that account. But once Abraham Lincoln became president, he also knew that it's important to maneuver the other guy into firing first.

    Lincoln patiently avoided Confederate provocations, so that at 4:30 a.m. on April 12, 1861, the Confederate batteries in Charleston, S.C., fired the first shots of America's bloodiest war. The rebels had fired on the flag at Fort Sumter, and in the words of Ralph Waldo Emerson, there was "a whirlwind of patriotism." Volunteers flocked to recruiting offices.

    If the other side doesn't fire first, there are ways to make it appear that way. In 1898, tensions were rising between the United States and Spain over Cuba, considerably abetted by lurid accounts of Spanish misrule in the American press. On Feb. 15, the USS Maine blew up while anchored in Havana harbor.

    Recent dispassionate investigations blame the explosion on accumulated gas emanating from the coal in its bunkers, but at the time, the cause just had to be a Spanish mine or torpedo, and Congress soon declared war.

    Woodrow Wilson, with whom Bush is often compared, began arming merchant ships in early 1917. That got the Germans to fire the first shots; the Kaiser's U-boats sank three merchant ships on March 18. Wilson summoned Congress to a special session, and got a declaration of war on April 2.

    In more modern times, there was the Gulf of Tonkin incident. President Lyndon B. Johnson wanted some congressional support for American military operations in Vietnam. On Aug. 4, 1964, the USS Maddox might or might not have been attacked by North Vietnamese torpedo boats when it may or may not have been in international waters.

    Never mind those uncertainties; the Johnson administration presented it as an attack on our flag, and on Aug. 7, Congress overwhelmingly gave Johnson the authority to "take all necessary measures to repel armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression."

    So if President Bush was bombing Iraq in 2002, hoping to provoke Saddam Hussein into shooting at an American warplane so the public would support an invasion of Iraq - well, why should anyone be surprised? He was just trying to following an American tradition.
     
  2. Supermac34

    Supermac34 President, Von Wafer Fan Club

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    The problem with this article is that American planes bombed Iraqi targets in the no-fly zone since the end of the Gulf War.

    If a plane was patrolling and an anti aircraft radar lit up, they would destroy it.

    It happened quite often in the late 90s.

    My cousin who was stationed in Turkey at the time said their sqadron destroyed some antiaircraft implacement at least once a week. Their planes had missles designed to destroy SAM targets as well as mobile antiaircraft vehicles.

    Iraq would always play a cat and mouse game with planes over the no fly zone...testing to see whether American or British planes would respond. It became a standing order that if your plane was "painted" you were to bomb the heck out of whatever was lighting you up...to protect the plane, the pilot, and any other future planes and pilots in the area.

    So the author's contention that we happened to "start" bombing to invoke the first shot is a little misguided. We never completely stopped bombing Iraq since the end of Desert Storm.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Supermac is correct. This evidence may or may not show what the author intended. The article should show several months of inactivity followed by an August which included not only bombing, but bombing more robust than that of the late 90's.

    It would be interesting to see since, not the Downing street memo, but the brief to the minitsters that went along with it shows that that the British were very serious about the invasion being legal, and that is why there was the push at the UN, the ultimatum to Saddam, etc. This other evidence shows that the author was correct in his premise that there were efforts to do things to make the war a legal one, but the evidence the author chooses, in itself, doesn't show that. With a little more work, though it is possible that it could show that.
     

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