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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by The Cat, Oct 18, 2001.

  1. Manny Ramirez

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    The answer to this title is no they are not a good team at least with their back-up QB playing. Seriously, I think it would have been hard for the Buffs to beat Texas in Austin if Ochs had played.

    I don't know if I would count on Oregon beating UCLA. I believe that game is played in the Rose Bowl, and Oregon has shown that they are not a good road team. I still think that no one comes out of the PAC-10 undefeated.

    I would like to see a Miami-Texas match-up for the Rose Bowl, but boy, the ribbing I would take if this did happen and the Horns beat my beloved Canes!
     
  2. Baqui99

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    I predicted a 48-17 win. Pretty close, huh?

    Today's game was probably the best we've played all year. Defense came out a little flat early, but forced 4 turnovers and manhandled the Buffs in the second half. Simms had another solid performance, and Cedric proved that he should be the starting tailback. Only bad thing about today's game was that the sun was shining on us the whole game, which took alot out of me. Knocked off like 6 Busch beers before the game, so it was that much more fun. Next week: at Mizzou.
     
  3. gr8-1

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    Manny, shut the **** up. Texas just beat the crap out of CU. Pavento is a senior and he's a serviceable QB. I think some people didn't thin kUT would win this game, instead they beat a team (by 34) that beat atm by ten.

    So Manny, please shut up, jackass.
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Arrest all Pedophiles
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    Gr8,

    Lay off Manny, and get some civility.

    This game was not near the blowout that the score indicates. CU fumbled inside the 10 yard line, and missed a 20 yard field goal, all in the first half.

    They convert there and it is a dog fight the rest of the way.

    Texas is a VERY good college team, and living in Austin, I love them.

    However, don't be so rude, everything Manny said was right on the money.

    Kids ....SHEESH !!!

    DaDakota
     
  5. The Cat

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    I knew the excuses would be coming. Manny, did you even watch the game today? CU moved the ball just fine, and the backup did a good job. The problem was the Horns stripping it from the tight ends and wideouts when CU went on the long drives... a quarterback has nothing to do with that. Texas would've blown them out by a huge margin, Ochs or Pavento.
     
  6. gr8-1

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    DaDakota, those fumbles were FORCED. I would hope you know me well enough that I have some civility. Manny took a shot at UT by saying the game would be different if Ochs was playing. Fact is, Ochs hasn't been fabuous this year. Pesavento was a senior who is actually quite good.

    Look up the stats. UT dominated CU. We held their vaunted rushing game 100 yards under average and had twice as many first downs as CU did. Major and Chance Mock got to play.

    I don't mean to be rude to Manny. I respect Manny, and I certainly respect you. I'm just tired of the crap that UT and Simms has had to take.......
     
  7. Manny Ramirez

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    Don't tell me to shut the **** up. Especially, when you didn't even read my whole post. Let me SPELL it out to you:

    Maybe the score wouldn't have been as bad if Ochs had played, but I never did say that CU was going to win nor did I say Texas was lucky to win. Get a clue, McFly. I helped you out by doing that Astros poll and this is the thanks I get? BTW - It's not hard to do a thread with a poll in it. You think that you would know how to do that by now - after all, you are the "great one", aren't you? Just not great at reading other people's posts and posting polls, I guess.

    Cat: I didn't get to see the game because ABC felt it wasn't important enough to show in Tennessee. I would have liked to see it though, because I knew it was going to be the best game today. My only point is that the game may have been closer if Ochs had played because he has been playing well, but I didn't think CU would beat the Horns in Austin even with him playing.
     
  8. Manny Ramirez

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    gr8-1:
    I didn't see your response to Dakota before I posted in response to your one to me. I understand how you and Cat feel. When Miami beat Virginia Tech last year, all I heard was that Miami was lucky because Vick was hurt. Hell, I wanted him to play more than anyone because I didn't want to hear that s***. I still feel that Miami would have won handily if Vick had been completely healthy because they were focused on beating the Hokies no matter what.

    I was just saying that Ochs had played well of late and he may have made the game closer. However, Texas is and was the better team. Of course, I was basing Ochs play on how he did against K-State, but that now doesn't look to be that impressive considering that K-State has fallen apart. That is something that I don't understand--that's not characteristic of a Bill Snyder team.
     
  9. gr8-1

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    Now you're getting personal. I just posted how I respect you as a poster and you're gonna call me out? No, I'm not as computer savvy as you (or others), but I readily admit it. Hell, I'm one of the few posters who hasn't embarass you on this board.

    Take all the shots at me you want and use all the clever movie references you want. It's more of a reflection on you than me.

    BTW, it can be inferred that you think Ochs would have made it a closer game. Fair enough. But, you're wrong. UT dominated the LOS.....

    The Cat asked earlier in the week whether CU was a good team or not. Well, we know that CU is a solid running team. They have certain injuries at key positions, but most CU fans thought they would win this game "cuz Simms will make a big mistake." Basically, CU is a good team with OChs or Pesavento is all I'm saying.
     
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    Manny, didn't see your response b-4 I posted this one. I apologize for my behavior, but I'm very passionate about UT.


    I think Vick may have made a difference agaisnt UM, but with UM"s team speed, maybe not. Besides Tech is doing fine w/o Vick this year.


    I guess, my point is that some (not necessarily on this board) thought that UT would lose to CU, and I just want to throw it back in their face.

    Sorry for my less-than-civil-behavior. I don't post on this board to make enemies.......
     
  11. Manny Ramirez

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    Umm, it looks like we are playing "BBS tag". See my post above your last one. I'm sorry that we keep missing each other...I guess I should have edited my earlier post instead of doing another post. For the record - I could give a flying f*** about being embarrassed on this board.

    BTW - I remember when I was in college (6 to 10 years ago), I was very passionate about my Canes. I still am, but I have learned to try not to get to upset about bad things happening to them. I guess when you go on probation (thanks Dennis Erickson) and get the f*** beat out of you 47-0 by FSU in '97 then you sorta realize it's not worth it to get upset every time they lose. However, now that Miami is back, it's hard for me to stay under control when things aren't going well. You should have seen me last week during the FSU game near the end of the first half. You are passionate about your team and that is something to not be ashamed of.
     
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    I don't think Ochs would have made a difference. The radio people during post-game mentioned that Pavanto (?) is the better passer of the two, while Ochs is the more mobile QB. Sacks and pressure weren't a major factor today, and the passing game worked about as well it could for them. I don't think Ochs helps much.

    I thought UT played an outstanding game. Early on, I felt th defense was pretty lucky with the turnovers and the missed field goal (while turnovers are forced, there's generally still a fair amount of luck in them). Later in the game, they started getting the stops on the other side of the field, and starting giving the offense incredible field position. Vasher's punt return was awesome -- I wish he'd get more chances, but people keep punting away from him now.

    Benson, obviously, was great. The O-Line did a good job giving Simms time. The receivers made some spectacular catches and had some more spectacular near-catches -- they finally performed like we've been expecting, I thought. The play-calling was better than it's ever been. A couple of times, the play-fakes faked me out in the upper-deck, and the wrinkles were much needed and very welcome -- good job, Greg Davis (why couldn't you do this two weeks ago?!?!).

    Simms did one thing he hasn't done all season: he looked off receivers. He didn't simply stare at one receiver all day long and then force the pass into him. As a result, he actually found the open receivers that have been there all season long. If he continues to do this, I'll be thrilled -- that's all he needs to do to avoid the stupid mistakes and interceptions. I still don't trust him in a close game, but hopefully we'll have all games like this and we'll never have to worry about a last-minute drive! :)

    Both OU and NU looked beatable today, and the best possible scenario is OU losing to NU and TT, but it's far too unlikely right now. If it comes down to multiple 1-loss teams, I still don't think we get in (computers), but with Colorado, North Carolina, and A&M all being more impressive than expected this year, that could change. Actuallly BCS ratings come out Monday, so it should be fun to see what all the computers think of us.
     
  13. DVauthrin

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    cat, you forget about A&M, by them beating K-State it will be likely theyre ranked when we go to kyle field thanksgiving weekend, once we beat them it helps our strength of schedule too
     
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    i was really hoping for a ou upset today coupled with a loss to nebraska, thus putting us in the big 12 champ. game. but oh well. lets just add tech to the list...
     
  15. The Cat

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    Well, Texas got screwed again. I should have expected it-- there's no way voters would ever put a deserving Texas team ahead of Florida, the hype machine. The gap was narrowed, but still not enough. I'd really like for someone to explain the logic behind this one, though. Both Texas and Florida have one loss. Florida's one loss came against a very average Auburn team that got taken to overtime by Louisiana Tech. Texas' loss came in a very close game against possibly the best team in the country.

    Texas just blew out a very good football team in Colorado. Florida hasn't beaten anyone half as good as CU. Mississippi St.? Come on now. Hopefully Georgia gives Florida a game next week, then Texas can jump both Florida and the loser of the OU-Nebraska game.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    The Cat,

    I am sure that Florida was saying the same thing about Texas in the 60s and 70s, it will turn around.

    Texas needs to be ranked in the top ten for a few years to EARN that respect.

    Heck, OU won the national championship last year, and they are not ranked number 1.....

    DaDakota
     
  17. Major

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    <B>Well, Texas got screwed again. I should have expected it-- there's no way voters would ever put a deserving Texas team ahead of Florida, the hype machine. The gap was narrowed, but still not enough. I'd really like for someone to explain the logic behind this one, though. </B>

    The polls don't work on "comparative losses". Before the losses, Florida was #1, Texas was #5. Now, we're #7, Florida #6. We've closed that gap, and that's all you can ask.

    Polls use previous positioning to make their moves more than computers and such will -- that's the whole reason computers are in the BCS mix. If NU and OU go undefeated (pretend its possible) and are #1 and #2, and NU loses to OU by 1 point in the Big12 Championship, they still are arguably the #2 team in the country, but it won't show up that way in the polls. NU will fall just because they lost late.

    If it makes you feel better, the Sagarin ratings (one of the computers used by the BCS) puts Texas at #2 (Nebraska at #1, Oklahoma at #3).

    Unfortunately, we'll fall over the next 3 weeks as our schedule goes to crap with Baylor, Missouri, and Kansas up.
     
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    shanna -- i think you underestimate the mighty Bears of Baylor University on the banks of the Brazos River in scenic and thriving Waco, Texas. When that Golden Wave Marching Band parades on to the field foreshadowing the awesome spectacle of Baylor Bear football, it can be quite intimidating to opponents. When the Bear clutches a Dr. Pepper and proceeds to guzzle it down like the blood of Her victims, you will be afraid...you will be very afraid!


    yeah, whatever...we freaking suck!
     
  19. Manny Ramirez

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    Has Baylor had a winning season since Grant Teaff left? He was one of the most underrated coaches of all-time in college football. I still remember marvelling at a story in which he ate like a live lizard or frog or something like that (it was slimy) to inspire his team to beat their opponent, might have been TCU, who was favored to beat them!
     
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    manny -- yes...we went to the alamo bowl 2 years after he left. in his last season we went to the john hancock bowl and beat arizona.

    baylor has a ridiculous schedule year in and year out in the Big XII...we're competitive in basketball and super-competitive in baseball...but in football we fall short big time. we seem to do fairly well in womens' sports too. i grew up at UT fan and shamelessly followed a girl from high school to Baylor (not the Baylor girl i eventually ended up marrying!). I still root for UT whenever they aren't playing Baylor...
     

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