How do you judge his lateral movement on Defense? His offensive game's biggest weakness is the lack of a Face-up game but he doesn't need one. I wonder what would be the best way to attack Shaq if you were a Center in the League. Rocket River ------------------
Shaq is best attacked through shooting, driving (I know, not easy with centers) and through the use of multiple moves and fakes (like Hakeem in his prime). Shaq is fast, but he is stupid in his reactions. His defense is poor for his abilities. If you do any combination of the above three, he either sits out a lot, or fouls out. ------------------ I have just realized that the stakes are myself I have no other ransom money, nothing to break or barter but my life my spirit measured out, in bits, spread over the roulette table, I recoup what I can nothing else to shove under the nose of the maître de jeu nothing to thrust out the window, no white flag this flesh all I have to offer, to make the play with this immediate head, what it comes up with, my move as we slither over this go board, stepping always (we hope) between the lines
So let me get this straight. You're basically saying all we need to do is find another Hakeem and we'd have the Shaq problem licked? ------------------ "Now it is more clear that it doesn't make sense." -- HeyPeeism at its convoluted best.
Pretty much But I think his assessment is on the money. not so much a HAKEEM but a 50% Hakeem would still give Shaq Fits. I mean If David Robinson would have Drove more than just settling for a jumper .. . San An you be fighting the 76ers. This goes to my assessment that I would be working on Collier's Driving and Footwork. Rocket River ------------------
So, you're saying there is a chance, right? ------------------ I have just realized that the stakes are myself I have no other ransom money, nothing to break or barter but my life my spirit measured out, in bits, spread over the roulette table, I recoup what I can nothing else to shove under the nose of the maître de jeu nothing to thrust out the window, no white flag this flesh all I have to offer, to make the play with this immediate head, what it comes up with, my move as we slither over this go board, stepping always (we hope) between the lines
look let's face the facts - shaq has NO talent. his success is mainly due to his size. if he had the body of, say, hakeem, he wouldn't be much in this league. if you take away his size, he wouldn't be able to post up like he does and get easy lay-ups, hooks, and dunks, where most of his points come from. he cant shoot like a good, well-rounded center should be able to do. ------------------
Shaq's biggest weakness is his inability to dominate without muscling the opposition. If the league refs called all the offensive fouls he commits, he would foul out in the first quarter. He has replaced Karl Malone as the league's biggest goon. His use of his elbows and shoulders against Mutumbo is appalling. I know the league has its star privileges, but it is unfortunate that he has been allowed to get away with such flagrant offensive conduct against the Deke. As long as he can use his elbows and shoulders to clear out the opposition, the Lakers will reign, and everyone else on that team will look better than they really are. ------------------
Shaq's biggest weakness: If anyone started calling him for all the elbows to the face he gives to opposing centers, you would take away 50% or more of his baskets. He has a lot of skill for someone that size-- he has decent footwork, decent turnaround, good jump hook, all to go along with the size. But he struggles on those little jump hooks around the lane when he actually has to deal with a hand in his face, and it would happen frequently if the refs would take a stand and call him as many times as it takes to stop him from elbowing opponents right in the chops. ------------------ "Basketball players win basketball games. Athletes win track meets."-- Shane Battier Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
There are only 4 things that'll stop Shaq. 1) Find somebody that can dish out punishment on him or can offensively work him over. This will at least neutralize him. 2) The new zone rules can help. 3) Hope refs start calling obvious offensive fouls or 3 sec violations on him and stop giving him "the superstar treatment"... Yeah, that'll happen... 4) Time. Hope the bastid gets too old to play. ------------------ "Now it is more clear that it doesn't make sense." -- HeyPeeism at its convoluted best. [This message has been edited by Dr of Dunk (edited June 14, 2001).]
My biggest problem with the whole Shaq sucks theory is that because Shaq doesnt play like a guard he sucks. Thats a bit extreme fellas. He's a center he is suppose to play in the lane and dominate it. Thats a big mans job, there is no glory about that. I remember Ewing being criticized for taking too many jumpers and not playing in the lane enough. Kareem basically had one shot and one shot only but it couldnt be stopped. Does that make him skilless? How about Wilt he couldnt hit a jumper to save his life, I am certain you believe he is skilles too since by your very argument a center that plays like a center is skilless. ------------------
Question: Why don't opposing Centers just Dipped their shoulders and elbows into shaq too. Foul onto shaq . . . ..as he fouls on to you to paraphrase shaq Rocket River ------------------
Because opposing centers would get the fouls called on them and foul out. Shaq should be fouling out about 2 times a game with those elbows and shoulders he uses to clear space. Foul unto Shaq as Shaq foul unto you doesn't mean call fouls on Shaq as ye would have fouls called on you. ------------------ "Now it is more clear that it doesn't make sense." -- HeyPeeism at its convoluted best.
That, and they would probably just bounce off of him. Sabonis is big, but not that type, Robinson might be able to, but he could hurt his back. Zo could, but he wasn't around. Bradley could -- if he went elbow first. Don't know anyone else big enough. One thing I like about this year's draft is that there are a few guys coming out that are about 7' and 300 pounds. Most are high schoolers, but they are still strong. At first, Shaq will be able to push them around, but as they start to develop and he starts to teeter off, they can inflict some payback. ------------------ I have just realized that the stakes are myself I have no other ransom money, nothing to break or barter but my life my spirit measured out, in bits, spread over the roulette table, I recoup what I can nothing else to shove under the nose of the maître de jeu nothing to thrust out the window, no white flag this flesh all I have to offer, to make the play with this immediate head, what it comes up with, my move as we slither over this go board, stepping always (we hope) between the lines
My only comment is that his size has dictated what he has become. Most point guards don't need post up moves so they never develop one that's even decent. Shaq has been so big he hasn't needed a jump shot. And to reverse the argument. Hakeem may have had a jump shot, but he sure didn't learn how to power up like Shaq can. I just don't see his jump shooting or lack of moves as a weakness. I see that as pointing out his strength. ------------------ humble, but hungry.
Cat, hey man, i love cuttino too,but you constantly talk about shaq's elbowing and never talk about the opposing players and how they hack at shaq all the time...ALL THE TIME. you don't think the refs see it? of course they do, but shaq would be taking a foul shot everytime he gets they ball if they called it. You don't think other big players use their strength to just bowl over the opposition? Did you see what D!ck-in-me Mutombo did the second they put Grant on him? He just back him straight down to the basket and laid it right in. Grant held his ground but no foul was called. Did you mention that since that type of basketball obviously upsets you. No you didn't. they let shaq get away with some stuff(more since he is a superstar)just like they let the people that guard him get away with stuff. Its so obvious, on almost every dunk(at least the ones DM tried to block) shaq is hit but nothing is called. Even on the ESPN main page last night it showed DM's arm clearly all over shaq when he was dunking...but do you remember the refs calling any fouls after a shaq dunk. no. thats why he smiles when he goes down the court, he's always saying they can't stop me even if they foul me. Anyways what would you do? Everytime you go down the floor you are held, slapped,knee'd,pulled and the refs don't call it. would you say "okay i'm still going to take it easy on these guys...its only fair" HELL NO, "These sum b****es are gonna pay this time!" Hell i know you would react like the latter, because we know how touchy you get, especially if anyone says anything bad about Mobley. ------------------
I've noticed that one of Shaq's biggest weaknesses is his free throw shooting. Has anyone else noticed this? ------------------ Protrolls.com! Soon to be ProPorn.com!
