Scottie Quitten: One of the NBA's 50 Greatest or not?

tpl, ah I see. Yeah Magic was taller than Pip. I just meant as far as a guy who actually played the forward position, consistantly bringing the ball up court.

crash, I'm sad to say that I don't remember Reid playing point forward. Did he serve as the primary ballhandler/passer after Lucas left? I know he got 4+ assists a game in some seasons. As for Wilkens, no way he and Michael win 6 titles. He would have been an unneccessary part there, since his primary attribute was scoring and he needed the ball to be effective. Even Atlanta traded him away eventually for a guy in Manning who brought several Quitten-like attributes to the table.

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Russell is one of the top 3 players to ever play NBA basketball. Russell was only 6'9", so he didn't have much advantage height wise.

Wrong again. I love Dream and all, but, Russell would be the king of the blocked shot if that stat was kept when he played. It wouldn't even be close. Wilt would probably be ahead of him also.



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It's easy to block shots when you're seven inches taller than most other NBA players. Hakeem got the title of best shot blocker in an age where players are much more comparable height-wise.

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The talent wasn't nearly as good as it is today, and I really don't see how you can say otherwise Finn. Russell was going up against far inferior competition, and coaches defensive strategies weren't as sound back then. They lacked the creativity of today's coaches. No offense to Auerbauch(sp?)

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Was it inferior competition, or was Russell more talented? Did Micheal Jordan play against inferior competition? or was he just more talented?



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I should have said the players were less talented back then aside from perhaps fundamentals and shooting.

Other than Chamberlain, what big men did Russell have to go against it that were any good? Excuse me for my lack of knowledge regarding this era.

Do you honestly believe that Hakeem doesnt dominate defensively like Russell did if you put him on those Celtic teams? I'm pretty confident in saying Russell doesnt dominate defensively if put in Hakeem's position. If you switch roles, Hakeem dominates either way. IMHO, you can't say the same for Russell.

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"Modern bourgeois society with its relations of production, of exchange and property, a society that has conjured up such gigantic means of production and of exchange, is like the sorceror, who is no longer able to control the powers of the nether world whom he has called up by his spells."

 

I can honestly say Russell would be just as good defensively if put on the Rockets. He would be a better rebounder than Dream. Dream would have the edge offensively.

Other Centers Russell played against:
Wilt
Walt Bellamy
Willis Reed
Nate Thurmond
Jerry Lucas
All are in the Hall Of Fame.

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Do you believe that had Hakeem been on those Celtics teams that they wouldnt have won all those championships?

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Pippen no. He hasn't proved his worth as Top 50. I think McAdoo or Wilkins should of made the list over Pippen.

Just forcasting, if the NBA came out with a top 100 at 100, do you think Francis would be deprived of that as well?

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Russell, Wilt, Jordan, Dream, Bird, Magic all were great players who could play in any era.

Tough question. Russell didn't need to score 20pts a night for the Celtics to win. He provided leadership, rebounding and defense. Its all about chemistry, and those Russell led teams had it. Could Dream provide what Russell did? I would like to think he could. Since there is no way we will ever know, all we can do is speculate.

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With this reasoning, Shaq can't be considered a great player because he didn't really become dominant until there were no great centers left in the game. By the time Shaq became the "best" Hakeem, Ewing, and Robinson were all past their prime.

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I wouldn't say that reasoning justifies him "not" being called a great player, but it certainly does show that Shaq shouldn't be considered the greatest center of all time IMO.

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Bob*,

In Celtics and NBA history, how would you rank these players: Bob Cousy, Bill Sharman, Sam Jones, Tom Heinsohn, and Bill Havlichek?

<a href="http://global.nba.com/history/index_player.html">All made nba.com's 90 legends list</a>, and all but Heinsohn<a href="http://global.nba.com/history/50greatest.html"> made the original top 50.</a>

 

Russell was listed at 6'9".


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There were a number of rebounders better than Rodman. Can you imagine Barkley's numbers if he solely concentrated on rebounding? Granted, Rodman was a great rebounder and good defender, but to say he was the best rebounder in NBA history is shortsighted.

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Maybe not statistically, but no one put as much effort into rebounding as Rodman. And even if he wasn't the best, he was one of the best. He should have been on the list.

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Can we all agree that the man's name is Snottie Pissin'?

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Cousy is one of the top 5 point guards in NBA history. (Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, John Stockton and Magic being the other 4)

The thing that hurt Cousy and Robertson was how strict they were in the 50's and 60's at giving assists. It used to be the pass had to lead DIRECTLY to a basket. No dribbling after the pass. Basically it had to be a layup/jumpshot after the pass, or no assist was given. Nowadays, almost every basket has an assist.

Sam Jones and Bill Sharman were very good players. They would have been stars on any other team. (Sharman did finish his career as a Laker)

John (not Bill )Havelicek was the ORIGINAL point forward. A dynamic player who could do it all, especially in the clutch.

Heinsohn was a good rebounder with a nice offensive game. He could hit the 15-20 footer as well as the hook shot.

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[This message has been edited by BobFinn* (edited June 15, 2001).]

 

Bob*

I thought those guys were just riding Russell's coattails.

Sharman 4 rings with Russell
Cousy 3 or 4 rings with Russell
Jones had I believe 11 rings with Russell (some draft class, right?)
Heinsohn had more than 5
Havlichek played one year with Sharman so had 7 rings with Russell

I guess they were all riding Russell coattails. Sort of like Horry, Smith, Elie and Cassell who should be in the Top 50 as well.