Russian Nuclear Bribery investigation reveals millions routed to the Clintons

JA is not a credible non-partisan source given his vandetta for Clinton hunting him across the world. She has a lot of enemies.

It's funny, the alt-right here is quick to talk about how Trump and Russia is fake news, but they jump on this despite there not being any evidence of wrongdoing by Clinton. It's a sickening double standard.

 

Apparently the FBI did not only not notify people on the committee, they also didn't notify key people within the FBI itself

https://www.pastemagazine.com/artic...d-evidence-of-a-russian-bribery-scheme-a.html

 

this stuff never leads to anything ever. Congress has been neutered and has no power.

 

Unlike Trump, Mueller understands his job and performs accordingly. Mueller's job is not keep the press informed on his investigation, in real time. But you knew that.

You wrote above that you think that Mueller when he reaches his conclusions will make public statements. He will not. But you again knew that.

Thus, neither you nor I can draw any meaningful conclusions from Mueller's silence.

When the grand juries hand out indictments or not, we will finally know what Mueller thinks (or at least of what he can convince a grand jury).

Now I do have an opinion on that matter (which is that I do think crimes appear to have been committed and are worth prosecuting). The grand juries will either agree or disagree with me.

 

Any guesses what the lead story is up on Breitbart? No fair peking.

I hear a DNC staffer leaked to Wikileaks. No Russian connection whatsoever.

I hear from John Podesta e-mails that there is a secret society of pedophiles operating through a pizza place loosely connected to Hillary Clinton.

Breitbart's casual relationship to the truth.

 

Trump + Russia = possible election influence that nobody can or will ever measure or prove

Clintons + Russia = Nuclear Weapons

 

What? The Russians have nuclear weapons now? ARGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!

 

It's strange - these guys ignore the massive corruption that Trump is clearly involved in and the numerous conflicts of interests and the refusal of him to release tax returns not to mention his children openly taking bribes from China in exchange for policy changes...yet the fact that Russian companies runs an operation to try to influence Clinton is deemed the worst corruption that has every occurred in history.

Why is Trump's corruption so ok, but anything potentially to do with Clinton so horrible? It's an amazing double standard.

 

It looks like Clinton has the same 'defense' that Trump supporters have used for him: the Russians have been trying to compromise our presidential candidates so they did things to help them, with or without their consent. If they sent money to the Clinton Foundation and arranged expensive speaking engagements for Clinton, that can be kompromat; if they planted fake news in the US media to help Trump and make offers of dirt to him on Clinton, that can be kompromat. The key in both cases is to prove some reciprocation from Trump or Clinton. Did they know what the Russians were doing to benefit them? Did they knowingly accept the benefits? Did they agree to the benefits before they were delivered? Did they actively pursue these benefits? Did they give Russia anything in trade for those benefits? Would they be left in a compromised position after the fact where the Russians could expose and damage them later? On that continuum, I think we already know that the Trump campaign were aware of and pursued at least some of the benefits being offered by Russian operatives, but it has not been proven that they gave anything in trade for it. That gives them a score of 4 out of 6. From the article, I am not clear that the Clintons knew about any benefits they were getting, actively accepted them, or pursued them, much less did anything to pay for them. I don't think I can confidently even score her a 1 out of 6 on those six questions. I don't say that out of any loyalty to Clinton, whom I don't like at all. Happy to consider more condemnation if more of a link can be shown.

 

If the Trump fans, like Trump, want to bolster up our Nuke arsenal they should be thanking anyone that would help Russia create more nukes. The treaty we have with the doesn't allow us to create more nukes unless they create more first.

Just another stupid Trump fan argument where you can't have it both ways. You can't be angry at an unfounded conspiracy theory that ultimately allows for more nukes for us and friend of the Trump cult, Putin, and also be thinking its a good idea to bolster up our nuclear arsenal like Trump repeatedly has said he wants to do, and even lied about doing it already in his first couple months in office (which is a patented lie).

 

Not sure why you brought that up in a thread not about it. But last I checked, the investigation has not yet concluded. Also, there was this attempted colluding that we now all know about. It caused the goal to move quite a bit. But ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BTW, my 'bad logic' was not serious at all.

 

J.A. and WikiL once upon a time was not a Russian mouthpiece. Then something happen. They are now a well known Russian mouthpiece. They did have material and withheld it.

 

The article doesn't in anyway exonerate Trump. In fact the article shows that the Russians were attempting to engage in illegal behavior with US politicial sources.

We already know the Trump administration has had dealings with Russians that were quite possibly illegal. A court doesn't give permission for a no knock search warrant and raid a storage facility with out a strong probability of illegal activity.

At some point it is just going to have to be accepted that Russia and the USA are involved in a 21st century Cold War. Too much deference is given to political party politics right now. Democrats have excused drone bombings and Republicans were defending the former head of the KGB. Reagan is spinning in his grave.

 

This isn't necessarily true. That isn't how criminal investigations work. In most cases the investigation continues and charges are not filed until the completion of the investigation if there is an advantage to waiting.

 

are you saying Trump and Clinton are equally bad people and should be treated as such

 

What is there to discuss? Not a great record of the GOP actually getting Clinton.

Let's see if anything comes of this or it it's another Benghazi. Personally, I think the Trump Administration is great at pumping out BS news or tweets to mask their real intentions.

 

I would argue Clinton is more of a corrupt criminal politician, Trump is more of a moronic sleazebag. Different, but both completely disgusting and neither deserving of holding high office.

 

Trump is the most insecure person I believe I've ever witnessed... given his position it is painful to watch him and frightening and entertaining... like a trainwreck all at the same time.