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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

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  1. Carl Herrera

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    So if the Obama DOJ people were doing something illegal, and there is evidence, then why doesn't the FBI just go after them, and if they don't why not just call for the FBI to go after them? What does this "trap" accomplish? Some liberals (most of whom, like most of the country, know nothing about the specifics of the case) defending Steele? What difference does it even make?

    Guess people who believe in Pizza Gate fantasies will believe anything.
     
  2. Commodore

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    DOJ is laying the groundwork (OIG report and leak investigations) to justify a special prosecutor and further congressional investigations

    Russia collusion is the left's Pizza Gate
     
  3. dobro1229

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    I missed the email chain of Chelsea Clinton (released by Chelsea) that about setting up a meeting with pimp who promised to run child prostitutes to help Hillary’s businesses and Chelsea took the meeting, lied about it numerous times, and in writing wrote “if it’s what you say it is... I love it”.

    You have lost your GDamn mind dude. Lay off of infowars.

    They “colluded” at some level. Any person with half a brain can see that. The only conversation to have at this point is whether their are charges coming for “conspiracy to commit crimes (hacking) against the US”. We can debate that all day, but the “collusion” is right there in your face in writing.
     
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  4. SamFisher

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    Good analogy.

    It's like the right wing version of a child raping would be senator - which is a child raping would be senator.

    ..or the right's version of Nazis - which are Nazis.

    What a ****ing embarrassment you all are.
     
  5. KingCheetah

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    Space Tallodore is dropping bombs - I don't know what to think anymore!
     
  6. Commodore

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    unlike the murderous Ted Kennedy, the right did not elect the would be senator (despite it damaging their own policy interests)
     
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  7. tallanvor

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    I doubt there is anyone in Washington anymore who actually believes the collusion stuff. Just internet crazies now. How stupid do you have to be to think the guy who opened up ANWR and all offshore waters for drilling is in cahoots with Russia? Do you know nothing about Russia?
     
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  8. Commodore

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    what's funny is most of this is happening in plain sight (just watch a little C-SPAN), but the left/media is so obsessed with Russia collusion narrative that they don't even see it

    remember when the Steele dossier was all anyone would talk about? Now the media is tripping over themselves saying it wasn't important to the investigation.
     
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  9. dobro1229

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    Do you not even read my posts before you start spatting off with your pro-trump subreddit talking points? You don't have to come up with oil deal theories with Trump to know the endless amount of Russian connections that are well documented, with actual paperwork we have, and verbalized by Trump himself as recent as 2014. Its only 2015 when he all the sudden lost his memory about anything Russian.

    However... regarding you NOT actually reading my posts - If you did, you'd read the part where I discern the term "collusion" with the actual crime being investigation "Conspiracy to commit crimes against the US". The term "Collusion by definition is just some sort of secret cooperation. By definition, they technically "colluded" at some level.

    But seriously.... Who gives a Sh$% about that anymore? If it has no legal barring it changes NOTHING in this country with how insanely partisan we have become. Trump could take a dump on an American flag, and if its not illegal, not only would you have no problem with it, you'd blame ME for it.

    That doesn't matter to anyone anymore to discuss because anyone who can't even grasp that simple fact that is in writing in front of your face, cannot be reasoned with.

    If there is an objective Republican that wants to discuss the merits of THE ACTUAL CRIME, I'm game all day. If you can't even grasp facts in black and white, stop replying to my posts, and go live in la-la fantasy land.
     
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  10. DaDakota

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    No they elected Trump an accused pedophile and sexual deviant.

    DD
     
  11. Commodore

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    part of it is a cognitive dissonance, where people are so invested in the idea of Trump/Russia collusion that they ignore all evidence to the contrary

    And yet we know Hillary/DNC paid Fusion GPS, who paid Steele, who worked with the Russians to try and get dirt on Trump. None of that is in dispute.

    The only open question is whether the FBI/DoJ used Steele's info (i.e. Dem-funded oppo research) to secure wiretaps on members of the Trump campaign (or worse, did the FBI pay Steele directly).
     
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    When is working with Russians who oppose the current regime 'working with the Russians' which obviously implies working with Putin .

    See that actually ALIGNS WITH US INTERESTS.
     
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    Is Mueller still investigating Russian interference in the 2016 US election as confirmed by at least 19 US intelligence agencies?

    Carry on...
     
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  14. FranchiseBlade

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    You are correct that it isn't disputed, nor has anyone been caught lying about it. The same is not true of Trump. That being said there is far less evidence in that case despite what you listed than there is in the Trump case. Furthermore, the Trump case already has people who have pled guilty and others that have been indicted based on the evidence presented.
     
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    Why won't Graseley just release the transcripts of the Fusion GPS interview instead of making all these allegations? Probably because the GOP, who didn't support Trump until he won, also paid Fusion GPS.

    I thought opposition research was okay? You seemed to think so when Trump was caught lying that his team never had any meetings with Russians and ole Jr admitted to setting up and going to a meeting.
     
  16. Commodore

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    It is ok, just pointing out it was Hillary/DNC/Fusion/Steele actually working with Russians to get dirt on Trump
     
  17. JeffB

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    The more information that becomes public, the worse this looks for both Trump and the RNC. I expect the RNC to try to keep the Fusion GPS transcripts under wraps. Harder to spin the lies if the evidence becomes public.

    The focus on the DNC picking up where the RNC affiliates left off is just deflection and a waste of time. It isn’t a serious argument and is used to keep conversation away from the substantial truth of the matter: that Putin interfered in our presidential election to get elected a man whose financial existence is very much owed/was saved by Russian money.

    The increased desperation and the strained arguments being used to attack all who threaten the Republican regime led by Trump speaks to the gravity of the evidence not yet public, but getting closer to being public as Mueller's investigation proceeds.

    Whenever they attempt to deflect, don’t play the game. Put the focus back where it needs to be:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ia-trump-and-sessions/?utm_term=.6285ac18963f

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    Attorney General Jeff Sessions ponders a question during a House Oversight Committee hearing in November. (Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)

    President Trump dispatched his top White House lawyer to try to persuade Attorney General Jeff Sessions not to recuse himself from Russia-related matters, The Post's Matt Zapotosky and Josh Dawsey report. The news was first reported late Thursday by the New York Times.

    But it's another, somewhat-buried part of that Times story that may be even more significant — and may even be news to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. It's about an effort on behalf of Sessions to facilitate negative stories about then-FBI Director James B. Comey.

    Here's what the Times wrote:

    The New York Times has also learned that four days before Mr. Comey was fired, one of Mr. Sessions’s aides asked a congressional staff member whether he had damaging information about Mr. Comey, part of an apparent effort to undermine the F.B.I. director. It was not clear whether Mr. Mueller’s investigators knew about this episode. ...

    Two days after Mr. Comey’s testimony [saying the Russia investigation was ongoing], an aide to Mr. Sessions approached a Capitol Hill staff member asking whether the staffer had any derogatory information about the F.B.I. director. The attorney general wanted one negative article a day in the news media about Mr. Comey, according to a person with knowledge of the meeting.


    A Justice Department spokeswoman, Sarah Isgur Flores, flatly denied it. “This did not happen and would not happen,” she told the Times. “Plain and simple.”

    But if it is true, it presents a wholly new subplot — and potentially a whole new front — in the Russia investigation.

    Given Trump's conduct in repeatedly trying to influence the direction of the investigation, the fact that he sent White House counsel Don McGahn to try to prevail upon Sessions not to recuse himself isn't hugely surprising. It fits a crystal-clear pattern. That doesn't mean it's not significant; it's just that it's the latest piece of a familiar narrative.
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    Expect to see plenty of digging into what Sessions might have done despite his recusal — both by reporters and Mueller.


    Mueller calls back at least one participant in key meeting with Russians at Trump Tower

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-probe-20180106-story.html

    Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has recalled for questioning at least one participant in a controversial meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer at Trump Tower in June 2016, and is looking into President Trump’s misleading claim that the discussion focused on adoption, rather than an offer to provide damaging information about Hillary Clinton.

    Some defense lawyers involved in the case view Mueller’s latest push as a sign that investigators are focusing on possible obstruction of justice by Trump and several of his closest advisors for their statements about the politically sensitive meeting, rather than for collusion with the Russians.

    Investigators also are exploring the involvement of the president’s daughter, Ivanka Trump, who did not attend the half-hour sit-down on June 9, 2016, but briefly spoke with two of the participants, a Russian lawyer and a Russian-born Washington lobbyist. Details of the encounter were not previously known.

    It occurred at the Trump Tower elevator as the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, and the lobbyist, Rinat Akhmetshin, were leaving the building and consisted of pleasantries, a person familiar with the episode said. But Mueller’s investigators want to know every contact the two visitors had with Trump’s family members and inner circle.


    Mueller long has sought to nail down details of the unusual gathering at the height of the presidential race between three of Trump’s top campaign aides — his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and his campaign manager, Paul Manafort — and Veselnitskaya, Akhmetshin, plus a Russian language translator, a U.S.-based employee of a Russian real estate group, and a British music promoter with Russian business ties who helped bring the group together.
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  18. FranchiseBlade

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    It depends on what you mean by "working with". Steele used intel connections. Trump's campaign actually sought cooperative agreements. There is a difference.
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    Which is another example of professional Mueller is. Congress and the rest of the DOJ might be getting sidetracked and intimidated, but Mueller seems to have a laser-like focus on his job. It is quite admirable.
     
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