Trump needs to be mum on this. Let sheila jackson lee and all of the democratic presidential candidates shoot their shot.
Not sure why righties always think its such a knockout blow when we are reminded that the Democratic Party prior to LBJ signing into law the Civil Rights Act, included the white blue collar working class of the south.... which was racist as hell back in the day, and still is in some pockets (which now ironically are the Trumpiest of Trump counties). LBJ is on tape talking about how they just lost the south with his signature of that bill. This is known, and not some new thing. Also.... Lincoln was a Republican... does that mean that Trump and his followers have earned the badge of freeing African Americans from slavery? Do you think when you now put Latin immigrant children in cages, and separate 4 month old children from their parents that you have an Abe Lincoln card to play because of some historical reference from where your current party was at years ago? Both parties have flip flopped several times. Both historically are to blame for racial injustice, and both should have ownership in providing a better path for African Americans. No... not by reparations by just paying extra tax payer funds. But by investing in black communities, providing better access to education... and how about increasing their voting power & access to voting.
Of course conservatives are going to run away with this. Owens is a prop used by Republicans. Does Burgess Owens not realize that the racists of the Democratic Party switched to the Republican Party after the Civil Rights Movement? Does he not realize that the Republicans employed the Southern strategy? Does he not realize that Republicans largely oppose affirmative action?
So a guy that is a wealthy conservative Mormon doesn’t like the Democratic Party and ... this matters because? He has written books ripping liberals, this isn’t a shock or some profound realization.
A lot of Americans (including immigrants) have zero interest in investing in the black communities, improving educational access or increased voting influence. A lot of Americans have little empathy for black Americans or their causes and believe they are already helped too much. I hear it from people all the time, especially from middle and upper middle class whites AND immigrants that have had success. So you can say both parties are at fault or Americans should do particular actions.... but a lot of the country doesn’t have any interest.
Black People and Mormonism Don't want to harp on it, but I do feel compelled to mention it just in case anybody wasn't aware. Until 1978, in the LDS, black people were basically excluded from access to white heaven.
Of course. Look at the posters here in this thread as an example. The entire point of the Congressional hearing was to have it be a serious discussion, and if the general public can be persuaded, maybe the Dem House puts up a bill that invests in African American communities... then dies at Mitch McConnells desk. Not sure why everyone is so worked up about it. I think it’s a good hearing for Congress to have.
It matters because he's black and agrees with Republicans. Never mind the 92% of black voters that didn't vote for Trump--this one agrees with us so he's right! Same deal with climate change and finding one scientist who disagrees with 99% of climatologists.
Neutral question: How do they determine who gets reparations? Like, these people are all descended from Sally Hemings. I'm sure some of them identify as white. Craig Cobb is a white supremacist who has 14% sub-Saharan African ancestry. How would he be considered?
Didn’t know who he is so thx for this. It’s incredible that someone look into history and understand it in the way he does. It matters in the same ways the POTUS lies matters.... to people that have a lack of understanding.
Seriously, this is so tired and lazy it's barely worth engaging with anymore. Oh, you did a little history reading, did you? Well, apparently you should keep reading.
...Burgess Owens suffers from the same delusion as Booker T. Washington (that great Negro conservative example often referenced) suffered from: ...the delusion that somehow, they're not standing in the middle of an argument between white people...about white people...who have the well-being of black people at the very bottom of their list of priorities...and that's putting it mildly. Back at the turn of the 20th century, Booker T. Washington tried to play both ends against the middle like this, too. He suggested and even advocated that black people should not expect acceptance from white society...that black people should accept being second-class citizens...that black people should be amenable to segregation and "Jim Crow" laws...that black people should "...pull themselves up by their own bootstraps..."... ...if this happened, Washington said, it would prove to white America a Negro's worth and humanity...and would subsequently facilitate a harmonious co-existence with white people in the country. Heh. Washington spent a lot of time secretly supporting Negro causes financially, while being conciliatory and accommodating to white supremacy and white nationalism publically. He often spent time with Theodore Roosevelt and William Taft, both presidents who were avowed white supremacists, and was used as the same type of prop that Owens and Negroes like him are today...and Washington's Atlanta Compromise speech was exactly that: a compromise with an unwilling partner. ...and inside of 20 years, his "separate but equal" gamble for African-American self-sufficiency was lying in the ashes of burned Negro neighborhoods and communities, and hanging from trees where Negroes had been hung for daring to be successful and building lives for themselves in spite of their exclusion from “white society”. And he had to eventually come to support full equality and equal treatment of Negroes in all walks of American life. See, I like that concept, too…of having two distinct or opposing views, in a perfect world or an active imagination. Part and parcel of being a human being…we have the (as far as we know) unique mental ability to entertain wildly extreme perspectives from essentially the same vantage point (our own personal experience), and assign to them equal levels of importance and/or significance. But’s that’s where such a dalliance ends. More of that confounding math and science crap that gets in the way at times like this: two separate things cannot occupy the same space at the same time. Sure, you can have your opinion on “white nationalism” not being the same as “white supremacy”, or that “black lives matter” is an insult to “all lives matter”…you can dance around the edges of respectability and pretend that all you’re doing is stating an opinion or offering an alternate view… …but when the rubber meets the road, you decide to take one direction or the other, whatever your own personal “beliefs” or “feelings” happen to be. …I don’t know how many times it gets said that people that led lynch mobs against Negroes and passed restrictive and unjust laws against Negroes, were really good people who lived good lives and raised good kids… …but what it does is reveal the reductiveness and narrowness of their interpretation of truth, at least in regards to American life and society. And those people tend to be the religious…and here, the Christian religious (but go ahead and apply it to fervent Islamic believers, too─wouldn't want anybody to feel unfairly picked-on). Which is, again, for me, more than a little confusing…considering that the Christian “god” states definitively through his mortal avatar that you can’t love a mother or a brother or a sister or a father more than you love “him” (an euphemism for what that “god” loved…the downtrodden, the marginalized, the infirmed, etc.) …the saddest thing about Booker T. Washington was that he was an extraordinary man. He was born a slave. He literally was born with nothing. He taught himself to read and to write. He actually did pull himself up by his bootstraps (once he got them), and made of himself a great entrepreneur and philanthropist, at one of the most difficult times for an African American to be that in American history… …and that all he was good for (then and now), by people who supposedly respected him and his accomplishments, was a means to further a pernicious and wicked end. …but this is the nature of progress, to me. Burgess Owens can say anything he wants. He can have his own opinions and perspectives. He can believe whatever it is he wants to believe. Whatever-god-there-is-or-isn’t-knows, it never really mattered until relatively recently anyway in this country what you thought as a Negro─you didn’t even really have the right to think anything at all. Burgess Owens can also get the same type of ridicule and scorn at his selective remembrance, disingenuous argumentation, and ridiculous inspection of history, as any white protestant, Catholic or Mormon who says the same things and are just as wrong as he is. That’s equality for you. Let freedom ring…
Now do a map of the voter breakdown... pretty please. I would love to see a map. Just a random guess: Votes against the Civil Rights Act concentrated in the deep south... aka southern conservatives. So yes, the people who label themselves a certain party have shifted party lines.
