Report: Chris Paul, James Harden argued about Rockets’ offensive style

No he cannot. There is no more. If you want him to get free off the ball to make a couple of 3's, you're going to lose a couple of 3's somewhere else. We're at capacity with him. No one outputs more. There's no endless source of production. Adding the playoff defense was the end.

James Harden is not an obstacle to a championship. Focus on fixing this team's major problems:

1) Old, unathletic roster.
2) Spending less than other contenders.
3) Lack of a reliable second scoring option.
4) Poor off ball movement from his teammates who are off the ball far more often than him.

These are actual things in our way. Complaining about 1% of Harden's plays is silly. He doesn't owe us to improve. He outproduces his salary and his minutes and improves every summer and just gave us 30/6/6 with good defense against a top defense and a dynasty. That's it, take it or leave it. He is good enough to win a title with these flaws as long as he has the support other champions have.

 

These morons don’t get it. You’re addressing actual basketball issues while they’re blinded by hate.
All you have to know about their basketball knowledge is certain posters believe D’antoni wants to run 7 seconds or less with this roster lmao!

 

CP will be injured for the season within 10 games or less.

Clint would be gassed by 1st quarter.

That's 40% of the starting lineup run to ground before 25% of the season is even over with.

 

I preferred that version over the end is the beginning is the end version.

Watchmen was a better movie than that awful Batman one.

 

We have to win a title to be the beginning of the end. Right now all we do is try.

 

Hmmm Let's See..

Roster has changed for the last 5 years except for ONE PERSON
In order for ball movement Mike and Harden have to change.. This team is still an ISO team and it seems as if Harden loves it that way.

Harden has been on this team since 2012, since then the team has gone thru 3 coaches, numerous and I do mean numerous player changes and yet one thing has not changed and this is Harden....

They can keep changing all the players they want, spend all the money they want... But until Harden changes or leaves this team will not win a championship..

Every year fans keep protecting Harden like a Mother hen and will blame everything and everyone but him..

You keep doing what you're doing, you will continue to get what you get!!!!

T_Man

 

Ahh man, you're just a Harden hater....

 

Harden has literally improved every year

Rocket River

 

This is true... But he has to change his mindset and attitude if he wants to win a ring...

He will also need a coach who will challenge him to change and not enable him...

He can either be a Jordan who changed with Phil and won many rings or Dominique who never changed and never won a ring...

T_Man

 

Change How?
Become a catch and shoot guard?

Rocket River

 

-play at a faster pace/attack early/run more
-move off the ball some
-limit turnovers
-more consistency and effort on defense, fight over picks sometimes
-better conditioning

 

Don't forget the disappearance of Capela. Even with an old, unathletic roster, unreliable second scorer, etc. Chances are we get past the Warriors if Capela outplays Green and Looney or looks like he did in the regular season.

 

Discussed ad nauseum. There is no difference between Harden and Durant except that Durant said "**** you" to the team that couldn't put good enough players around him.

Durant has flaws. Kawhi has flaws. Curry has flaws. Lebron has flaws. Teams who use the flaws of a top 2-5 player as the excuse for why they don't achieve their targets are morons.

 

This. I’d throw rebounding in there as well. For whatever reason...some think Harden’s only avenue of improvement is offensively in the playoffs.

I just watched Kawhi step up every aspect of his game and match up with Giannis defensively in order to will his team to win because he knew that was what his team needs. Harden doesn’t have to be the perfect basketball player, but there are many other areas where if Harden can simply give more effort, it’d go a long way. It’s part of being a superstar. You lift up the entire team.

And before anybody responds with the obvious counterpoint...yes...there were much larger problems than Harden in the playoffs. But as the lone-superstar and the guy who gets all the credit if we win, it’s on him to step up when the team needs him. My main issue with Harden at this point is he does not recognize and seize the moment like other superstars do.

 

I guess you forgot that Hakeem and Jordan became championship players when they learned to trust their teammates. When Hakeem added passing that's when he took it from elite to ultra elite level.

Curry was also always good, but it wasnt until he made himself into the greatest shooter in NBA history and stronger to avoid injury that he started winning rings.

It's the NBA. The team with the best player tends to win. It's not the team with the best role players that wins.

 

Like Giannis, Westbrook, PG, KD(before the Warriors), Embid, Butler, Mitchell??
Yeah those guys seized the moment, again it’s easy to say that when you have a complete picture. Every superstar has been given that label until then won a ring.

 

Chris Paul would be fine with the Rockets' style if he could somehow be the leader/alpha that he was with the Clippers. As is, that's impossible because the Rockets' style is all about Harden and, if anything else, analytics. He knows what leadership is supposed to look like, on and off the court, and it's missing on the Rockets and in Harden.

 

I just don’t get it.

Look if Kawhi carries that Toronto roster passed the Warriors it will be legendary.

I can’t get passed that last 2 lines of your post. Harden has spent his time against a team who essentially has 3 Hardens. We have seen it in almost every game we play them. 1 of their guys sucks by his standards and it doesn’t matter. When one guy doesn’t seize the moment there are 2 more ready to step in. It’s an unbelievable advantage. And a reminder that expecting 1 guy to always be the guy is a recipe for failure.

Consider this.

Last year Paul played like a 2nd guy. We saw how close we got. This year Paul was not that 2nd guy and you see the result. And this is considering almost everyone agrees Harden was better this year compared to last.

You need help against this team. Fringe improvements by James will help, but will not swing the series.

Recipe to beating them is 99% in roster improvement, 1% everything else.

Discussion on clutchfans on how to beat them. 99% Harden, Mike and shooting less 3s. 1% roster improvements.

 

So the defense of harden is that klay and Draymond are as good as harden? That's an interesting turn.

 

Huh? Lebron's been the best player for over a decade and only has 3 titles. He literally went from Cleveland to Miami and back looking for help.