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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

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  1. MojoMan

    MojoMan Member

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    Who would be a good running mate for Bernie Sanders? How about Cardi B.?

    No, really. Politico has an article about the alliance between these two and how this can help Bernie's campaign.

    Cardi B might be one of Bernie's most powerful 2020 allies. Seriously.

    To overtake Joe Biden and beat back Elizabeth Warren, Sanders needs to perform better with black Democrats and hold on to his youth support. Biden is polling first among black voters, with Sanders typically posting a distant second in surveys. At the same time, Warren has outperformed Sanders among young voters in a handful of recent polls.

    According to Sanders’ advisers, turning out people who don’t usually vote is also critical to his success. That's a constituency Cardi B could potentially tap into.

    “Bernie’s whole political project is about bringing people into the political process who might not otherwise be interested,” Miller-Lewis said. “A lot of these people are not watching MSNBC. They’re not watching CNN. They’re maybe not tuning into politics at all. They’re going on Instagram 30 minutes a day. So finding people where they are and not going on the normal TV news circuit is a very important part of his strategy.”​

     
  2. JuanValdez

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    The time to complain about the acceptable polls was when they were announced, not after you fail to qualify by them. Poor sportsmanship to complain about the rules because you're losing.

    Biden is not blocking Bullock from anything. If Bullock can't get a headline, it's his own fault.
     
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    So we do care about polls now?

    If so that means your boy Trump is in real trouble.

    Will be interesting to see if other polls follow.
     
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    My money is on all the states that now have open primaries handing the victory to Biden. You will see Republicans vote for him just to stop Sanders/Warren.
     
  6. MojoMan

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    I think you may have that backwards. I am a conservative, but not a Republican. So it is with great pleasure that I am looking forward to exercising my status as an independent and voting in the Democrat primary this time around. While I do not know for sure who I will vote for yet, Bernie Sanders is a real possibility, as are Pochahontas and Kamala Harris. With so many candidates to choose, it is just hard to know for sure this far in advance.

    But there is no chance that I will vote for Joe Biden and I do not expect very many other conservative leaning voters in Texas to vote for Joe either. I do not think you are thinking about this in the right way.
     
  7. MojoMan

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    If Elizabeth Warren somehow wins the nomination for the Democrats, President Trump is going to politically beat her bloody with the "Pocahontas" mantra and also her blatant pandering agenda.

    ‘Pocahontas’ Could Still Be Elizabeth Warren’s Biggest Vulnerability

    “If she’s the nominee and says, ‘Trump’s dishonest,’ that’s just the immediate counter: You’re dishonest about the most fundamental thing, who you were and how you got to your positions,” said Republican strategist Chuck Warren of the political consulting firm September Group. He is of no relation to the candidate.

    Dan Hazelwood, another Republican consultant and owner of Targeted Creative Communications, argued her apologies have missed the mark: “She’s never given the answer to the core of the Trump charge, which is: She cheated. She cheated for personal gain. She hasn’t answered that part of the attack.”

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    What would be devastating to Elizabeth Warren is if Trump were able to connect the underlying concerns about her personal integrity to the integrity of her agenda. She styles herself as a warrior for the people, fighting to fix a system “rigged” against them by elites. But if Trump can convince swing voters that Warren, as a member of the academic elite, rigged a system to benefit herself, he could turn what is now Warren’s main strength into a fatal weakness.

    Key to making that connection is reducing her detailed plans to cheap pandering. “Everybody loves to call her a policy wonk, but everything she is presenting is ‘buy me a vote,'” Chuck Warren said. “She is willing to say, or put on any hat, to get ahead.” Hazelwood envisions Elizabeth Warren’s platform being characterized as “putting the government in charge of everything and giving away stuff for free. … And oh, by the way, the stuff that’s going to be given away is going to be given away by cheaters.”​

    Warren's hard left supporters might be ready to brush off the "Pocahantas" scandal, but independents, not so much. And the outrageously obvious and unachievable pandering that she engages in is likely to be a problem as well.
     
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    Do you actually think anybody persuadable will listen to Trump?

    So Indepedents will brush off the Trump scandals but not Pocahontas?

    What delusional world do you live in?
     
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    That's all true. Trump probably would call her Pocahontas every day and call her a socialist too. But ultimately, I can't see how 2020 escapes being a referendum on Trump. If you forget he's a racist, there he'll be saying Pocahontas. If you forget that he gave billionaires a big tax cut and left everyone else holding the bag, there he'll be calling reforms to help the middle class socialism. If you forget he's a chauvinist, I'm sure he'll oblige you with some sexist remarks about his opponent as well. If you're cool with racism and sexism and you're cool with wealth disparity, you'll vote for Trump; if you object to Trump, you'll take whatever lesser evil is available.
     
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    So go ahead and vote for Pocahontas, then. See what that gets you.
     
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    You guys have deceitfully and hyper-aggressively overplayed the race and other "Identity politics" cards to the point where objective people just shake their heads and feel sorry for you. If that is really going to be the Democrat left's main strategy for winning this election, then they truly are are morally and politically bankrupt. And that is being nice about it.

    Also, not only is this not going to work in the Democrat's favor, it is very likely going to backfire on them big-time.
     
  12. Nook

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    He is 76 years old and running a major political campaign.

    We went through this with Ronald Reagan and are going through it with Donald Trump.

    We forget, Reagan was only 69 when he won the Presidency and there were "senior moments".

    We had Bernie Sanders falling and hurting himself during the campaign at 77, Hillary Clinton at 70 falling and hitting her head.

    We have Donald Trump at 73 years old hopped up on speed, taking more breaks than any modern President and saying bizarre things.

    There is a sweet spot with enough experience and not the issue of senility. I'm sure all these candidates are very spry and mentally sharp but they are old, they need rest at times and running a campaign is exhausting mentally and physically for a 30 year old.

    If Trump gets re-elected he will be 78 years old when he leaves office.......... Sanders would be 81-82 when he ran for re-election.... he could theoretically be 85 years old with half a term left.

    Biden would be 80 seeking re-election.

    Hell...... with any of these candidates we have to strongly consider that they could very well die of natural causes in office!
     
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    Does anyone else get a chuckle when mojoman refers to "objective people"? Or when he claims the *other* party is "morally and politically bankrupt"?
     
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    Ehh I think he has already gotten the mileage he can from Pocahantas.... especially when Native American groups come out aligning with Warren if she reaches the general election.

    The only thing he can go at her successfully on is that she wants to give away a lot of "free" things and that means increased taxes and he has to hope she wilts in the moment like Rubio did and when she first launched her campaign.
     
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    Keep telling yourself that. 2020 is going to be a historic defeat for Trump.
     
  16. MojoMan

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    Just like 2016 was. Gotcha.
     
  17. JuanValdez

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    Sorry, I'm not on the liberals' strategy team. You'll need to direct your complaints to another department.

    Nevertheless, I'm not dissuaded from the idea that 2020 is going to be a referendum on Trump. He is all anyone can maintain a conversation about -- worked for him in 2016, might work against him in 2020.
     
  18. KingCheetah

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    lol
     
  19. MojoMan

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    And yet you were exhibiting the exact same problematic behavior as they do in your previous post.
     
  20. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    What was your role in his campaign? :eek:
     
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