Qandeel Baloch murder highlights how honour killings are still a deep menace affecting Pakistan soci

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awful....people capable of committing such things...

Sometimes on much higher scale...like Germany will finally apologize for Other Genocides a century later! I thought you going to bring it up since you showed deep concerns with Armenian genocide

http://qz.com/733463/germany-finally-apologizes-for-its-other-genocide-more-than-a-century-later/

 

****ing terrible. Eye for an eye punishment for these pieces of **** in situations like this imo.

 

From a 2013 Pew poll:



Note the numbers are percentage of polled who think it'd never justified.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/...-society-morality/#beliefs-about-family-honor

This is a major cultural problem in Muslim countries. In most of the countries, the Muslims polled think it is sometimes justified against men and women in equal proportion. But that's very clearly not the case in the Arab ME countries.

 

Hopefully this horrible thing can be the impetus to get the law changed.

 

Wait.. Why aren't these cases prosecuted?

 

In Pakistan, at least, I believe it's up to the family.

 

****ing barbaric.

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The family decides to kill them so they can easily get away with it? This makes no sense.

 

These people are saying it's permissible according to what leading clerics say (and mind you, they have no say in who becomes a leading cleric). They are not stating that they would do it, or they wouldn't mind doing it, or that they think this is or should be the national law.

If the question was would you engage in an honor killing, the numbers would change dramatically. As in, yes many big Saudi and Egyptian clerics say it's permissible, but virtually no one would actually do it - like many things in Islam. That's why it happens more in Africa than it does in the Arab muslim majority countries. That's why it is as prevalent in Christian Arab societies. It also happens in several Christian majority nations.

Their relaying of a centralized scripted interpretation of a text is not the equivalent of condoning the action. The culture is that most Muslims personally would NOT do it, and that's why they don't. 9 out of 10 Emirati females are posting things on their instagram which would get them executed in a Pakistani village. There are complexities involved.

If you asked me if beating your wife is permissable in Islam, I would say yes of course in a multiple choice questionnaire despite being totally against it. That's an extremely common stance.

Also, this is a study of Sunni Muslims in some Sunni Muslim countries. It's hardly a scientific study of overall Muslim views. Iraq is the only country in that list with a significant shiite population, and it scores lowest of all. That's not because honor killings are rarer in Iraq - they are not - it's again because fewer of their unelected famous clerics interpret their texts to say honor killings are permissible. That doesn't make an Iraqi Muslim more or less likely to commit an honor killing because honor killing is an old ARAB cultural phenomenon that persists in places where education hasn't caught up. It was exported to Pakistan via Exiled's people masked as Islam, yes, but they were able to do that because Pakistanis needed the money and schools and books. I've mentioned it before, the best example of this is just how many Pakistanis and South Asians in general think that that little white skullcap has a connection to Islam.

Having said all that, it's more prevalent than it should be because even 1 honor killing is too many. It is far from shocking or some kind of conundrum how often it currently happens, it's nothing that needs to be studied. We know why it happens, the frequency is logical, and the solution is easy and clear. Better schools, more internet, travel, improved legal/enforcement framework, more independent and less corruptible authorities, etc. Honor killings used to be extremely prevalent in this corner of the GCC (UAE) and it has practically disappeared now. Domestic abuse is shrinking. Forced marriages are no longer legal. You don't have to go to a court where women's testimony is less than men's. Etc. You know why? Because women are more literate, more educated, more employed and better paid than men now. They are richer and more powerful, and employers and marketers are championing their rise. They don't need men, and men don't have authority figures who can help them legally oppress women anymore. We are down to a couple of gender issues that need to be solved urgently (particularly related to rape), and I know there will be announcements about those later in the year.

I don't understand what the specific infatuation is with this thing. People are killed for less or the same everyday in far greater numbers in the same countries where honor killings are happening. People are being kidnapped and murdered because they might be rich. Is it somehow more acceptable to kill for money than to kill for - from the murderer's perspective - honor? It's not. It's just a marketable name that feeds the xenophobes.

If people care about the well being of Pakistanis, then they wouldn't pay attention just when a pretty innocent girl gets tragically killed like the poor girl in the OP. They would also pay attention when missiles rain on weddings or hospitals full of innocent men, women and children. You can care about both, of course, but where 0 honor killings seem to go unnoticed, 95% of other larger tragedies in these communities go unnoticed regularly.

 

Exactly. This article makes it seem like if an adult female doesn't have legal guardians anymore (all deceased), then you can kill her in the street and nothing can be done. Can't be the case, no matter what we think of Pakistani law.

 

Nicely said and agree with that statement.

This is a very interesting and potentially telling statement. How on earth could you possibly be killed for "less" that this woman who used social media? It seems you, despite a very reasonable veneer, harbor some minor judgment of her activity.

But I see your point. That we don't seem to care about the other horrors. Well, it's simply the "man bites dog" phenomenon. We are just not aware of other places on earth where family members are allowed to kill one another based on some medieval view of behavior and "honor". Meanwhile, we are used to seeing people killed for money all the damned time. That explains why this particular bit of backward barbarism is "news" to a lot of the planet.

 

This type of thing has to stop. No one should ever be killed for that.

I don't understand the point you're trying to make with this. If it's that in Muslim countries people a strong minority of people think that honor killings are justified then I agree with you. And that's definitely a problem.

I don't see why the "offense committed by females" is even on there. I'd wager that >95% (and probably close to 100%) of these murders are done by males.

 

Jesus Christ you guys are relentless. LESS FROM THE MURDERER'S PERSPECTIVE.

My posts are so ****ing long because there's this air of prejudice that makes me triple explain every ****ing sentence I'm so sick of this ****.

 

Just a different perspective:

There are quite a few women here who are murdered (by a male) after breaking up with their boyfriend or because they spurned a man. I feel like in third world Muslim countries that happens rarely if at all.

On the other hand "honor killings" happen.

In either situation it's wrong. The bigger problem is that in societies where honor killings happen, the male is usually let go according to the information I've seen online. I think that's the real issue.

 

I think his point is some of this is cultural. Hindus in India also do honor killings but from what I've read, men are killed at a 40% clip (perhaps rapists, child molesters)? A Hindu girl could be killed if she doesn't marry who her parents want, etc.