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President Donald Trump is not racist

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by dachuda86, Aug 14, 2019.

  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    First, I never said "dictionaries don't matter". I'm claiming the context you invoke "look up a dictionary" wasn't answering the question someone asked you.

    Second no I don't see how my post is an example of why "dictionaries matter". Elaborate.
     
  2. dachuda86

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    That I follow a definition is not a logical gap... You're the one telling people how they should answer a question and post. So yeah you kind of are compelling me to do something. Anyway, you wouldn't know logic if it bit your in the ass. Good luck with a life of being ruled by emotional readjustments to terms to suit your need at the moment instead of living in a ground reality where people keep to definitions and argue in good faith.
     
  3. dachuda86

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    Mexican is a nationality. There are many different races there. You need to actually understand the term you're throwing around before you throw it around. This is a good example of why I find this type of debate childish and secondary, because most people throwing the R word out there are doing so without understanding what it means. They then reverse engineer their own subjective definition to suit their feeling and needs if called out. Truly pathetic and a waste of my intellect to engage 100% with **** arguments like yours.
     
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  4. dobro1229

    dobro1229 Contributing Member

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    OH my God... Yes Trump is a racist...Why is that even a topic of discussion.... move on.
     
  5. cml750

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    He is just salty that his hero dropped out the race. He was really looking forward to receiving all the "free" stuff that someone else was going to pay for.
     
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  6. dobro1229

    dobro1229 Contributing Member

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    You do realize that a Republican president literally just signed a bill that borrowed against the national debt two trillion dollars right? Prior to that, his most important bill was a trillion dollar tax break mostly to the wealthy. Progressives obviously believe education, and healthcare are important enough to borrow for. Their evidence that it doesn't hurt, but helps economic wise comes from FDR's New Deal, and the outcomes of that infrastructure spending against the debt.

    It's an economic debate for another time, but long story short, Trump supporters have no credibility to any argument about "free stuff" and the national debt. The debate is about priorities and values. Obviously priorities for both parties right now should be solving the freaking pandemic.
     
  7. HROZ

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    You know this would be fun if he didn't lie so much.


    1. The Mexican quote is (from 2016 campaign trail)

    “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best — they’re not sending you,” Mr. Trump said then. “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

    He never clarified or mentioned MS13 in that speech.

    In 2018 he said

    “You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are,” the president added. “These aren’t people, these are animals, and we’re taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that’s never happened before.”

    Afterwards he clarified he was talking about MS13 and to be fair to Trump he has used MS13 as an example previously.

    Also he lies about Charlottesville
    He said Trump said he was opposed to white nationalism in his speech where he said there was good people on both sides.

    He didn't. After he refused to condemn the those in the March. After the backlash only in another speech he said he condemns Nazis. Then he tried to re write history by saying the taking down of Robert E Lee statue was what the March was for, while it was one instigator, the organisers of the march Richard Spencer & Jason Kessler (Both Nazis) made it clear it was to do with white supremacist beliefs. And then the match happened with the marchers chanting racist slogans all the way down the line. (Plus Nazi Insignia)
    Pretty confident a non Nazi wouldn't be marching with them.

    I gave up at that point. But the woman sort of believed everything he said with no fact checking. I'd actually like this debated by 2 people with a grasp of the topic. But this isn't it.
    Mainly a woman who admits she doesn't have a strong grasp of the topic and a guy who claims he does and lies to make his point.

    (I only watched till he started talking about Germany free speech) can't be bothered with the rest)
     
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  8. dachuda86

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    And that was a short term thing and it's terribly expensive. Imagine long term UBI or paying for healthcare for all including illegal foreigners and the resulting waves of immigration brought about by the lure of the free everything lunatic squad. The stuff the left has gotten on board with is economic suicide.
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    Do you think you are smart merely because you are pedantic. Is that your angle here?

    Because your pedantic nitpicking between "racist" and "bigot" and whether "Mexican" is a ethnicity or a nationality is irellevent to why people are criticizing the president for being "racist" or "bigoted" which is that he uses rhetoric that fear mongers groups of people based on birth characteristics with unfounded claims to rile up votes.

    A nitpick becomes pedantic when the nitpick is irellevent to the point being discussed or the premise being explained or dedended.

    You are debating in bad faith because you are ignoring obvious implied thoughts when people call Trump a racist and why they are doing it. Like I've said before being bigoted or racist has the same effect on groups of people.

    If I said French people are child rapists, some are not I assume, does it matter that "French" isn't a "race" and is a "nationality". Does it change the point being made? The point being implied in that statement is most French people are child rapists which has the same harmful effects whether it's bigoted or racist.
     
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    dachuda is just BobbytheGreat. Likes to think he argues with logic, is always condescending and refuses to budge on positions where he's wrong. Similar to Bobby, he thinks playing devil's advocate on literally everything is being the voice of reason that encourages healthy debate, and that he is a master debater, while just being a message board self fellator.
     
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  11. fchowd0311

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    Also if I want to be pedantic, Trump's statement that most people in the US from Mexico are rapists and murderers would still be racist because the intent and the knowledge at hand by the person making the statement matters and in Trump's mind he views "Mexicans" as a race. When someone calls him a racist for that statement he doesn't defend himself by stating that "Mexican isn't a race".
     
  12. dobro1229

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    Tax breaks are a "short term thing"? Are you saying that in 2028 president elect Donald Trump Jr. is going to propose raising taxes on billionaires because the tax break was "short term"?

    The second part of your argument is just a bad faith argument. You guys paint a picture of Democrats having a welcome sign at the border for El Chapo's drug runners with a drive through hospital to give them free check ups, and give them a crate of free healthcare supplies on their way back down to Mexico.

    The reality is much different. The reality is illegal immigrants, if they are in this country, get sent back in a humane way under Democratic presidents as they did with Obama if they are not able to be properly documented where they can contribute to our society. Obama was called The Deporter & Chief FYI.

    Here comes where Trumplicans play the conflation game with illegal vs legal immigrants. For LEGAL green card immigrants (yes it's legal for non-citizens to come here to work), yes, we need them to PAY TAXES on what they are earning, and YES we need them accounted for in our healthcare system so they aren't using the ER as their primary doctor, and should have preventative care to keep them out of the ER in the first place.

    Do you know how WE PAY for those green card carrying immigrants???... By getting them accounted for, getting them green cards, and MAKING THEM PAY TAXES.

    This isn't that hard of a debate. The bad faith arguments are what drives them off the cliff. Donald Trump doesn't really want a solution here and you know that. He doesn't want to deal with immigration reform. He doesn't want the hard work of setting up a system for processing immigrants, and documenting them appropriately. He WANTS the show of force (look at the tough guy muscling up to those bad bad criminals from Mexico) and the racist politics that come out of the controversy.

    Racism is the point of Trump's immigration policy and campaign strategy which is the same as it's been since Nixon only more blunt. If it was actually about solving problems then things would look very differently.
     
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    And he did start posting in the D&D more and more around the time old bobbythedipsh** stopped. Hmmmmmmm......
     
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  14. vlaurelio

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    @dachuda86

    donating to the build the wall gofundme basically explains what type of person he really is
     
  15. dobro1229

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    The big question is if he's confirmed Jopat/Hollic. The timing of drop off's & resurgences & the consistency in strategy/obscured, but easy to see ideology is suspect over the years. Jopat to Hollic was confirmed even by Jopat. Bobby to Dasch looks obvious. It's the Hollic to Bobby jump that is the big question mark.
     
  16. Nook

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    Yes Trump is bigoted and it really isn’t debatable.

    What Trump does is allow people with similar views to not be shamed for disliking black people, Hispanics or women.

    He is also unquestionably a misogynist.
     
  17. ROXTXIA

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    PREACH.

    "But it isn't true that you have absolute power. Who told you that?"

    "Enough!"

    He loves it when he's questioned, especially by women.
     
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  18. Buck Turgidson

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    Yeah, the whole Trumpista "he's not racist, he's just a bigot" defense is right up there with "he's not lying, he's just stupid"
     
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  19. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Like $1200 checks and massive, unfunded bailouts of multiple industries? Free stuff like that?

    LOL. y'all are so funny. Your hero is putting his name on checks that are going to be funded with our kids and our grandkids massive taxes. That's obvious. But yeah, keep beating that super-dead horse about liberals and free stuff.
     
  20. SamFisher

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    Because Trump's incompetent, horrifying coronavirus denial/bungling "response" has resulted in

    25000 DEAD (today)
    &
    20% UNEMPLOYMENT (today)

    #areyoutiredofwinningyet?
     
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