Well, I have to say I'm a little surprised to receive any response, so credit to you for that. At the risk of over generalizing, seems like you come from the school of thought that "the ends justifies the means" or "I don't want to hear about the labor, show me the baby". Basically, get stuff done that I support and I don't really give a damn how you do it or how many dishes you break in doing it. As to your responses: you don't really care about the cabinet: well, that ducks the question. I asked whether it is incompetence for Trump to have a merry go round cabinet. Isn't it a key part of an executive's job to identify, hire and empower people to perform important roles? Wouldn't any CEO who constantly berated and fired his/her executive leadership team be ousted immediately? Maybe your answer is, yes, Trump is incompetent in this aspect of leadership, but I don't care. Leaders need to know when to ignore their advisors: do you think it was a good idea for trump to announce withdrawal of troops against the advice of his foreign policy and military leaders? How about accountability? Is that a trait that matters for an executive? Do you support Trump taking credit when the economy is good, but then blame Powell when things turn? "Everyone is a bigot on some level". Sounds like this is the corollary to your statement that "all politicians are awful". So in your view, the American public should just grow up, toughen up. It's fine for Trump or any other president to say whatever he wants. Do you support Trump's tweeting Rocketman? Or trump's cancellation of the visit to Denmark because he can't buy Greenland? I'm trying to understand whether there is anything Trump can say that you would view as over the line, negative, ill conceived?
I dunno man. I've posted like 5-6 times in D&D in my whole life. I've just been reading more about how people think, whether people are self aware, whether people are willing to be intellectually honest and honest about themselves, how that translates to peoples world view and view of others. Trump as a topic triggers all these issues. Really, I don't think any of my questions are all that surprising or critical. And I'm not trying to pick on Dachuda or anyone. He just seems to be pretty vocal about his views and appears enthusiastic to explain his thought process, which is interesting.
I admire your commitment. Unfortunately for me, his supporters willful ignorance and refusal to rationally view this slow moving train-wreck of an administration with any sense of moral circumstance or concern has led me to forgo engagement and only mock their indifference to this clown's ruination of our country both at home and abroad.
Yeah I am not a trump supporter and it is not my job to defend all the stuff you care about. I personally don't care about a lot of what you bring up. The main point of the thread is he isn't racist. I would like you to actually contribute to the discussion instead of using me as a complaint department against trump. I have large amounts of apathy about everything you bring up. I see a lot of immaturity in your posts and it is a general naivety shared by many who have not been involved in politics before. I welcome you to the discussion, but if you want to talk about say Greenland, there is a thread about it. If you have other issues, make a new thread.
Umm... No one is going to take your post seriously when you start it out with such an obvious lie. I still don't understand why people who clearly support Trump make it a point to say "I'm not a Trump supporter but..." or "I didn't vote for him and won't this next time either but..." I mean maybe in your mind you aren't a Trump supporter but at least on this message board your actions speak differently. I don't know that there is another poster who defends Trump as much as you. If you want to argue semantics and say "I may be a Trump defender but I don't support him" then so be it, but I don't see a difference between the two.
You assume a lot. Here, I will tell you why you think this way. Perspective. If you see one thing often, you are less likely to see the smaller details. People here often disregard my comments that are critical of Trump and never argue them with me so you probably never see it. I am seen by most as defending him because I am arguing my point on those specific issues that they disagree with. Since I am in a minority on this board on a lot of issues, you see that play out. But no, I miss being able to vote Democrat. I really feel abandoned by both parties. Oh and I also don't see it as my mission to hater him and say bad things like some people here who are basically activists do. So there is that clash. So here, look below. I don't like these things about Trump: -Boorish behavior in general. -Lack of family values. Or values in general, but show me a politician who actually has values and I'll call you a liar -His tax plan. He is a faker on taxes. He doesn't help anyone but the rich. And that's BS. I want to see more stimulation through middle class and lower class tax cuts. -His flip flop in Syria. I am anti-proxy war. He was and then he flip flopped. I want our boys brought home because this presence is only creating more animosity, death, and terrorists. as a result. -His **** handling of Greenland. That was stupid and his fault. -His apparent lack of tact within the media and how sometimes he leans toward being anti-first amendment. -His flip flopping on gun issues. He should pick a position and stick with it. -His general disposition is disgusting and looks bad for the U.S. -His lack of ability and procrastination to strengthen the border. -His actions and rhetoric involving Israel. It's a cluster**** and gets worse everything the subject comes up. Thinks I like about Trump: -He is a money president. He does get business despite what people want to believe. I do agree with a tariff war with China because there are huge problems with our relationship with that mess of a country. -He is less likely to hurt the second amendment in any unconstitutional way (I like gun rights but I do recognize the need for laws that don't violate this clause. I am more libertarian in this sense.) -That he pisses the far left off. That's half of the fun of this forum. Things I have mixed feelings about: -His ability to handle the border. He procrastinated and, despite being roadblocked, hasn't delivered any meaningful border protection. -His ability to handle the trade war, which is necessary, but we will see. Leaning towards he will screw it up. -His inability to condemn the far right appropriately, though he has somewhat but not correctly, to satiate the far left and calm them down. He has no reason to if Antifa are going to essentially help get him reelected with fear. Did I vote for him? Nope. Do I plan to? He would have to do a lot more to get my to vote for him still. I don't support him, but I am not some Trump hater. I do enjoy arguing though, so if you and I disagree, I will argue it. Honestly, I don't see a reason to lie about something like that. I am not ashamed of my views and I have been very open about what I think. I think it's hard for some of you to accept that there are complex positions when you see me arguing for something with Trump. I just don't get a chance to argue the other way because this forum tilts farther left as each day passes.
Here is the actual problem... you seem to defend Trump on ridiculous issues and make excuses for him. So any time you might actually disagree with him, it seems disingenuous. You literally started a thread about him not being a racist, essentially called a poster a liar because you refused to interact with his arguments, and when you finally did interact with his arguments your only retort seemed to be either “that doesn’t prove he is a racist” or “Muslim isn’t a race.” If I remember correctly, you were a poster who vehemently defended his ridiculous idea of a border wall as opposed to a more comprehensive solution to the border problem. You still think he did nothing wrong in whole Mueller/Russia/Obstructing justice thing and seem to keep your head buried. This is an obvious one. You keep mentioning things like “everybody is a little bit of a bigot” and “no politicians have any moral fiber.” And then dismiss anyone who disagrees with you as uninformed (which is ironic coming from someone who thought Beto was the mayor of El Paso, if I am remembering correctly). You are trying to normalize Trumps beliefs and behaviors by saying that everyone is essentially the same as him. This is false. Not everyone is a bigot, and it is not ok to be a bigot. Not everyone is a pathological liar, and it is not ok to be one. Here is the real problem: you come off as disingenuous in your supposed lack of support for trump. I’m guessing there isn’t anyone on this site who has supported him to the level you have. You also tend to come off as condescending quite often when addressing people. It is off putting. I have tried to avoid that when addressing you but obviously I failed in this post. Oh well.
I am attacked on my position and insulted in this forum on a daily basis. Gloves are off. Also go ahead and think what you want. I have nothing to prove to people who ultimately want to think I am a certain way.
Also if you are white, you are oppressed and discriminated against. Life is very hard. Keep being brave for all of us.
Everyone is oppressed in some way. When you accept the burden of life, only then can you grow and move on with it.
I can be immature as well as naïve in life, but I'm not sure which parts of my posts reflect that. I'm open to feedback, so if you care to, let me know. My first post in this thread (a rare one in D&D) did relate to the topic of your thread. We don't seem to agree on the subject, but it was on topic. As for other stuff, like I said above, I'm just curious about how people think, what people think about trump, and how people reconcile their personal political priorities with Trump's baggage (behavior, twitter rants, etc). I responded to you because you seem more willing and able to expound, which your post #388 did rather elaborately. You covered a lot of ground in #388 (and called out some of the Trump baggage as at least less than ideal). People process information based on strongly held feelings, and it's very difficult to disassociate from those feelings, even when there may be objective reasons to do so. Based on your posts, it seems like you are a religious conservative (the religious part an inference from you being upset about Carl Hererra's thread on the bible (I think it was that one)). Maybe I'm wrong about that. My strong sense is that you, like many, are totally pissed at the far left and the increased mainstream discussion about things like social justice, discrimination, racism, or socialist policies. With enough abhorrence of the far left, tolerance (or support) for Trump increases because he, like you said, is quite adept at pissing them off and you enjoy that. Well, as for me, I used to be pretty conservative and am now fiscally moderate and socially moderate/tiny tiny bit left leaning. I'd be quite pleased if the far left and far right would both tone it down because it isn't helping. How can anyone have an intelligent discussion, or even begin to understand (much less appreciate) the opposing view (even though you disagree with it). Maybe that's the naïve part of me, to think that progress is made based on intelligent discussion. If so, guilty as charged. Certainly there are those who subsubscribe to the view that in order to move the needle, you need an abhorrent instrument like Trump. After all, what better way to beat down the far left than someone like Trump? The more that people subscribe to this model, the worse the country gets. But maybe the ends justifies the means for some people. In any case, Dachuda, discuss this if you like. Like I said before, I'm just curious to understand how people process their political views in light of Trump and his "baggage". 2020 is going to be a fascinating election. I hope I'm wrong in thinking Trump will get re-elected.
Excellent! I'm glad that you've accepted the burden of dealing with Betty White pictures and move on with it.
Haha Look at dachuda, not being a Trump supporter while defending all things Trump in all these threads. The disconnect is freaking incredible.
You got issues if you obsess with that man. Severe hate inside yourself. Go look in the mirror and learn to know yourself.
You lack the political knowledge to challenge me so you resort to insulting and writing off what you do not understand. I pity you.
Sadly, when I look in the mirror instead of seeing me in my bathroom, I see Betty White inside a temple of Moloch. That's why we need brave folks like you who are able to overcome all of the oppression faced by white people and move past such vile and oppressive things as Betty White memes. I'm glad that you stopped whining about it and have been able to work on bettering your position.
Well aren't you a whiny one today. lol Maybe post some more racist stuff since mods don't care if you attack white people. D and D is worse than ever because of subhuman trash like yourself.
