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Please don't make the Montero mistake with Neris

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Yordan The Great, Oct 25, 2023.

  1. SamCassell

    SamCassell Contributing Member

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    Would like to see any statistical evidence you want to offer on this point. Maton was the 6th inning guy in 2021 and pitched in many high leverage outings. Neris took over as the 6th inning guy in 2022 and graduated to 7th inning guy this year. And frankly, his results weren't great.

    Like Houstunna said, though, my greater point was that Maton is younger and cheaper. Wasn't that the point of this thread? Don't buy high on a 35-year-old 7th inning reliever, when you could get a guy 4 years younger and much cheaper. Who is likely to produce more WAR per $ over the next 3 seasons?
     
  2. Hey Now!

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    I didn't ignore anything; I focused on the same point he did:
    Maton made six appearances this postseason; the Astros were leading/trailing by 3+ in four of them.

    What are you talking about?
     
  3. Hey Now!

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    I didn't ignore anything; I focused on the same point he did:
    Maton made six appearances this postseason; the Astros were leading/trailing by 3+ in four of them. They were trailing in the other two appearances.

    What are you talking about?
     
  4. Hey Now!

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    To answer your question: in his last 18 postseason appearances, the Astros have led/trailed by 3+ in 10 of them.

    Of course. All for younger & cheaper. But I wouldn't factor in his postseason results at all. Leaning on small, random sample sizes is how you end giving Rafael Montero 4/$32MM, or whatever they gave him.
     
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  6. IdStrosfan

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    We all wish it was 4/$32M

    (It is 3/$34.5M)
     
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  7. Houstunna

    Houstunna The Most Unbiased Fan
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    Silly to suggest Montero was signed because of the playoffs. Astros didn't have a GM. Nobody thought his contract was smart except Crane and Montero's homies.

    The bottom line remains the same: Maton is a better bet going forward than Neris for reasons already mentioned. I understand Bagwell homers think playoffs are just random sample sizes. It's just an excuse to justify their team/player sucking in the biggest moments.
     

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