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  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Palin Copying Newt


    ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has been accused of paraphrasing at length from an article co-written by Newt Gingrich when she gave a speech, but her lawyer says proper credit was given to the former House speaker.

    Blogger Geoffrey Dunn, who is writing a book about the former Republican vice presidential candidate, made the accusation on the Huffington Post Web site.

    Dunn compared Palin's speech introducing conservative talk show host Michael Reagan, son of former President Ronald Reagan, to an Anchorage audience Wednesday to the article urging Republicans to study Reagan, written by Gingrich and Craig Shirley in 2005.

    "It is abundantly clear in context, and even in subcontext, that the overview of President Reagan's legacy was attributed to Newt Gingrich," Palin's lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, said.

    "Far from 'lifting' or plagiary, this is proper attribution in a political speech," Van Flein said. "The audience was made aware that Mr. Gingrich wrote about President Reagan's legacy, and Gov. Palin attributed her paraphrasing to Mr. Gingrich expressly and did so at the beginning and at the end of the paraphrasing."

    Palin twice referenced Gingrich during the speech. Toward the beginning, she said, "Recently, Newt Gingrich, he had written a good article about Reagan."

    Later, she said, "What Newt had written in this article, he wrote, 'Remember how refreshing it was with his outrageous directness that Americans loved, and praised and deserved' that Reagan dealt with, with then the troublesome Soviet Union, remember this? His vision for the Cold War? We win, they lose."

    Dunn examined similarities when comparing Palin's speech to the article.

    In one part of her 17-minute introduction of Michael Reagan, Palin said, "We have to remember first that Ronald Reagan never won any arguments in Washington. He won the arguments by resonating with the American people."

    Gingrich and Shirley wrote in their article, "Reagan never won an argument in Washington. Reagan won his arguments in the country with the American people ... ."

    In another part of the speech, Palin said, "We would do so well to look back on those Reagan years as he championed the cause for freedom and then he lived it out as our president _ cheerfully, persistently and unapologetically."

    The 2005 article says, "Cheerful persistence rather than easy victories were the keys to Reagan's career."
     
  2. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    Stop talking about this has-been-never-was.
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    well actually this matters in the future. If these guys are the two front runners for the presidency, and so far its that way (i know 2012 is a long way off) this will be an issue.

    There was another incident at a republican fundraiser last night in which palin was initially invited, but delayed, so newt was invited, and then palin said she was going to show up, so they dropped newt, and then newt was upset.

    dude this is like daytime drama tv.
     
  4. KingCheetah

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    No wonder basso likes her so much.
     
  5. JayZ750

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    wow, just wow. i mean, i don't care if you're a redneck from Alaska or Rico Suave from South Beach, can we not get some proper use of the english language in the Republican party?
     
  6. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    and she's got a journalism degree. ouch.
     
  7. basso

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    nothing to see here...

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  8. Batman Jones

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    Kerfuffle.

    basso's plagiarized way more than Palin and Biden combined.
     
  9. basso

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    meh, they're just words.

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  10. Bandwagoner

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    Do you think Deval Patrick was the speech writer?
     
  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    something weird just happened
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    It isn't plagiarism when the person who's lines you are using has given you permission to use them which was the case between Obama and Patrick.
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    Do you even understand what plagiarism is? When Obama has persmission from Patrick to use the words they both came up with, it isn't plagiarism.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    explain.
     
  15. uolj

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    She attributed the words/thoughts to Gingrich, she just did a horrible job of it. I don't know what the textbook definition of plagiarism is, but I don't think this is that big of a deal.

    I do find it amusing that the Huffington Post is breaking the story rather than Gingrich being upset about it. Unless he makes a huff I think this is just a minor story about how Palin isn't the most polished of politicians.
     
  16. JuanValdez

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    It's technically plagiarism, but it would only matter in an academic setting, unless Newt is upset about this use of his work. But, they don't mention Newt complaining, so I don't give a crap. It sounds like the article and the speech about Reagan was crap anyway.
     

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