I didn't realize there was a discussion going on. Just to clarify, the general Tea Partier believes: 1. Balance the budget 2. Don't raise taxes 3. Don't cut national defense 4. Don't cut my Social Security or Medicare Good luck with that.
What's ironic about your response is that Obamacare did just force everyone to eat the "banana" you just referenced. After all, the new mandate requires everyone to buy healthcare. Or, is this also another lie by the right wing nuts? (BTW, to SF--please resist your urge to go there. )
Was I talking about healthcare in general? No, I was talking about single-player healthcare which doesn't exist. Please try and follow logic. Thanks in advance. P.S. - Besides, you don't like having health insurance (the banana you're talking about, despite it not being what I'm talking about)? Did you not have it and now are being forced to get it against your will? If so, I question your general judgment.
Why didn't you care that previous to this, the system forced you to pay for the care of the uninsured? Why didn't tea parties in Massachusetts ever care that RomneyCare required them to buy health insurance?
Didn't you know trickle down economy works like magic? Tax cut can solve everything single problem in the world, you clueless liberal.
Free market is perfect, we never had the great recession, the tech bubble, the great depression, etc. All those were just your imagination.
Thank you for bolding your responses to serve as an indicator of importance. After reading through that piece of garbage, I was unable to find a sign of anything that would be worthwhile to Americans. Next time, bold the whole thing, if you'd like.
Well, maybe the silver lining is that 43.61% of tea party sympathizers and participants understand that you cannot "defund, repeal & replace" something that doesn't exist. I'm honestly a little surprised at how truly dumb that list was. I keep trying to be diplomatic, but there's no room left for nice or vague language. It's just completely and utterly stupid.
But don't you realize that cutting $10 billion worth of earmarks will make the $1 trillion deficit disappear?!
So, are you basically claiming that the videos of Obama's speeches on You Tube should be discredited as not his real position on issues because there is a good chance its just a voice-over-- like those old school Kung Fu movies--where his lips just move, but its someone else's interpretation of his words that are really coming out of his mouth? Or, maybe Stephen King has actually send his Langoliers' out after any of Obama's statements--so they can be erased from history a few moments after he has spoken them?
You see, its not what's worthwhile to American's that's at issue here, it all about the current group of Progressives in power not realizing what is "worthwhile" to them come November. Let me try to explain a little better: As the Left and the general media seems to keep focusing on the fringe elements of the TEA Party, they are really missing the massive movement from the silent conservative majority of America. Also, there seems to be a lot of comments about how not many people are really showing up to rallies. But as I keep trying to point out, the number of people you see at the rallies is just like the tip of the ICEBERG moving through the oceans--only 10% of it visible on the surface. The other 90% of the conservatives and Independents who have more common with the TEA Party than the Progressives in power are just beneath the surface. And when, not if, this iceberg hits Washington this November and wipes out the Progressive leaning Dems out of Washington--there is going to be a lot of "we knew the Dems would lose some seats, but where the hell did this tsunami come from?" in the media. It will be political "shock and awe." Of course, there will be no one surprised in D&D--I have made sure of that. :grin: Of course, don't take my word on any of the above claims, the following is just hot of the press from one of the most respected Democratic Pollsters of our time: Here is his bio(and I recommend you read his FULL BIO): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/doug-schoen http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/15/AR2010041504131.html [How the Democrats can avoid a November bloodbath By Douglas E. Schoen and Patrick H. Caddell Friday, April 16, 2010 Media reports suggest that President Obama is turning his attention toward the midterm congressional elections. There are a few things it is imperative he understand if he is to, at the least, minimize Democratic losses in November. We are Democratic pollsters who argued against the health-care legislation ["Democrats' blind ambition," Washington Forum, March 12] that the Obama administration chose to pursue. Instead, we advocated incremental health-care reform. With the passage of health reform, some harsh political realities have emerged. Recent polling shows that despite lofty predictions that a broad-based Democratic constituency would be activated by the bill's passage, the bill has been an incontrovertible disaster. The most recent Rasmussen Reports poll, released on April 12, shows that 58 percent of the electorate supports a repeal of the health-care reform bill -- up from 54 percent two weeks earlier. Fueling this backlash is concern that health-care reform will drive up health costs and expand the role of government, and the belief that passage was achieved by fundamentally anti-democratic means. Already we are seeing the implications play out with the retirement of Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) -- who had effectively become the face of the last-minute, closed-door negotiations that resulted in passage. Put simply, there has been no bounce, for the president or his party, from passing health care. In fact, Monday's Gallup report showed the president's weekly job approval rating at a low of 47 percent. And as the Democratic Party's favorability has dropped to 41 percent -- the lowest in Gallup's 18-year history of measuring it -- this week's Rasmussen Reports survey shows the Republican Party with a nine-point lead in the generic congressional vote. Moreover, independents, who are more energized than Democrats, are leaning Republican by a 2-to-1 margin. What all this means is that Republicans are ripe to pick up major gains in both chambers this November. To turn a corner, Democrats need to start embracing an agenda that speaks to the broad concerns of the American electorate. It should be somewhat familiar: It is the agenda that is driving the Tea Party movement and one that has the capacity to motivate a broadly based segment of the electorate. (This is music to BF's ears! ) To be sure, great efforts have been made recently to demonize the Tea Party movement. But polling suggests that the Tea Party movement has not been diminished but, in fact, has grown stronger. The Winston Group found, in three national surveys conducted from December through February and published April 1, that the Tea Party movement is composed of a broad cross-section of the American people -- 40 to 50 percent of its supporters are non-Republicans. Indeed, one-third of self-identified Democrats say they support the Tea Party movement. The electorate's dissatisfaction with the established political order has led the Tea Party movement to become as potent a force as any U.S. political party. Last week, a Rasmussen Reports survey showed that overall more Americans say that they agree with the Tea Party movement on major issues than with the president of the United States -- 48 percent with the Tea Party and 44 percent with Obama. Among independents, 50 percent said that they're closer to the Tea Party, while only 38 percent are with Obama. Moreover, the most recent Gallup poll shows that the Tea Party movement is at least as popular as the Democratic Party. And the Tea Party movement stands for fiscal discipline, limited government and balancing the budget -- an agenda that has broad public support extending well beyond the movement. Polling conducted by one of us (Schoen) found that 55 percent of respondents endorse that agenda. More important, a solid majority of swing voters endorse it. The swing voters, who are key to the fate of the Democratic Party, care most about three things: reigniting the economy, reducing the deficit and creating jobs. These voters are outraged by the seeming indifference of the Obama administration and congressional Democrats, who they believe wasted a year on health-care reform. These voters will not tolerate more diversion from their pressing economic concerns. They view the Obama administration as working systematically to protect the interests of public-sector employees and organized labor -- by offering specific benefits such as pension protection and tax reductions at the expense of all taxpayers. Democrats must understand that voters will not accept seeing their tax dollars used to pay for higher wages and better benefits for public-sector employees when they themselves are getting higher taxes and lower wages. Winning over swing voters will require a bold, new focus from the president and his party. They must adopt an agenda aimed at reducing the debt, with an emphasis on tax cuts, while implementing carefully crafted initiatives to stimulate and encourage job creation. This is the agenda that largely motivated the Clinton administration from 1995 through 2000 and that led to a balanced budget and welfare reform. It promoted a modest degree of social welfare spending. This agenda is enormously popular with the electorate and could eventually turn around Democratic fortunes. Democrats can avoid the electoral bloodbath we predicted before passage of the health-care bill, but in one way: through a bold commitment to fiscal discipline and targeted fiscal stimulus of the private sector and entrepreneurship. Douglas E. Schoen, a pollster, is the author of "The Political Fix." Patrick H. Caddell is a political commentator and a pollster.] BTW, here is a little more warning from Doug Schoen before HCR was passed (btw, I urge you to read the whole article): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/11/AR2010031102904.html [As pollsters to the past two Democratic presidents, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, respectively, we feel compelled to challenge the myths that seem to be prevailing in the political discourse and to once again urge a change in course before it is too late. At stake is the kind of mainstream, common-sense Democratic Party that we believe is crucial to the success of the American enterprise ]
Why do all the conservatives on this board suffer from the affliction of selective listening? Brother Fish: You have started more threads in your time here than you've responded in threads you didn't start. That's already sort of a foul. Worse, people have flooded your threads with reasonable responses that you've just flat ignored. Is that just sort of the "conservative" way these days? To ignore anything you can't refute and then just sort of go ahead and start another bumper sticker thread instead? It's weak. When confronted with an actual debate, you guys tuck tail and run. And then come back five minutes later with new BS propaganda. You lose the battle of ideas every single time because you refuse to engage with facts. My only question is what keeps you going when you must know you're so blatantly outclassed on the merits? Why do you keep posting bumper sticker logic in a forum where people engage in actual debate? Why post in a debate forum when you refuse to debate?