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[Official] Joe 2020

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. Major

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    Trump's going to ridicule anyone who runs - I don't think that should be a factor in who Dems pick.

    I think this is the problem with having 20+ candidates - it's the paradox of choice. Having so many options makes none of them feel "perfect". I think Biden's best feature is that if he were President, we would do days or weeks without hearing anything about the President. He's not trying to build a name or a brand or anything else for the future, so he'd be a person that just gives us 4 years of news media calmness. That's not a great reason to like anyone - and in his past runs, he fails past around 2% - but it might be the right moment for someone like that.

    If he does win the nomination, I think the best strategy would be to name a younger/popular running mate, commit to running for just one term, and announce significant roles for key primary opponents in his administration (put Bernie somewhere like Labor or CFPB, etc) to rally all the different factions of the base around him.
     
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    I agree totally.
     
  3. Dubious

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    Cleaner slates are usually younger without a long or controversial voting record. Perceptions change over time but you're stuck with the vote you cast or the compromises you made. Bernie is hammering Biden on his Gulf War vote, but at the time it was a national slam dunk.
    Without having a record you can project a future not defend the past.

    Here's a review: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/2020-democrat-candidates-771735/
    interesting:
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2020...XTGih7dmfHj3I2fOThpgRoCmfv2kW017gBAjfCba2L54N
     
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  4. glynch

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    Hugggh? The average social security check is $1200.
     
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    Joe v Trump is one reality I would like to watch if for nothing more than to see them argue on stage and to see the left eat Joe for his identity. This will be the best reality...

    Still hoping for Tulsi! She would be an easy slide to victory but because she is open to ending pointless oil wars... it'll never happen.
     
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    I don't think you get it. Many Americans are hurting and the disgrace of having lying Trump on TV constantly is not their main concern. Many people want real fundamental economic change and are not longing for good old days of the status quo. To the extent they long for the good old days, it is the era before guys like Biden and the Clintons led the Democratic Party away from the average working person to NAFTA , tax breaks for the wealthy and to being the party of the educated social liberals and the junior party of Wall Street.

    People thought the telegenic black guy would bring them real change. Then they turned out for Wild Man Trump as surely he could do something. Hillary thought being anti-Trump was sufficient. Talk of grabbing women by the p***y, which was the main concern of comfortably well off women in her crowd would be enough to win. Biden like Hillary is the very embodiment of the recent status quo.

    But, hey, Hillary almost won that way and polls show virtually all the Dems beating Trump.
    Perhaps you will get your comfortable status quo back.
     
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    Biden pushed for the Ukrainians to get rid of the prosecutor general who was investigating a company for which his his son Hunter Biden was on the board.

    https://www.msn.com/en-xl/northamer...ightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived/ar-BBVvvd8

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/us/politics/biden-son-ukraine.html
     
  9. glynch

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    If true, this is the type of thing your heroes Trump, Kushner and Ivanka do routinely. U cd give a crap.
     
  10. Major

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    Yes, and you want to ensure the superrich don't lose that $1200, even if it means everyone else that actually needs it has to get less.
     
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    I think the source of this is an expert at dealings with Ukrainians...




    TRUMP LAWYER RUDY GIULIANI TAKES MYSTERY TRIPS TO RUSSIA, ARMENIA AND UKRAINE: REPORT
    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-lawy...m_campaign=NewsweekTwitter&utm_source=Twitter
     
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  12. Major

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    It may not be, but it's a far bigger concern for the long-term viability country as a whole unless you believe tearing apart the basic functioning of government will be good for the people that are hurting.

    NAFTA led to massive economic growth for the lower and middle classes, not that you actually care. It's also why tariffs have been such a trainwreck for those same areas of the country. I find it interesting that you love Bernie but hate Trump on these things given that they basically have exactly the same platform on trade without considering any of the realities of globalization.

    You also seem to have a very nostalgic view of the "good ol days" that's not really rooted in reality, unless you're also a fan of racism, discrimination, devaluing of women, etc.
     
  13. glynch

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    Look you may just be naive or want to get rid of social security, I am not sure. I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps try to google something like "means testing as a way to decrease support for social security.

    or you may just be this type of guy.
    "When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social Security as well; I meant Medicare and Medicaid; I meant veterans' benefits; I meant every single, solitary thing in the government." — Joe Biden defending the proposed GOP balanced budget amendment, Jan 1995
    pic.twitter.com/fvYJQuiOBo
     
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    There are some tactics or descriptions of other groups of people that are similar to those used in Germany in the 1930's.... so that is alarming. However, the type of government in Germany during that time period and the political parties involved were very different. Germany in the 1920's was absolute pure chaos.

    You had Jews that were aligned with anarchists and they were regularly setting off bombs, sinking ships and purposely destroying homes and shops. You had communists that were fighting to overthrow democracy and install a dictatorship. They would attack WWI veterans in the streets and sometimes work with the anarchists to destroy government buildings. You had traditional Germans that wanted the return of the Kaiser and fought in WWI. They were bitter because they believed that the anarchists and communists had undermined the WWI effort and caused Germany to lose it's spot in the European pecking order............ couple that with after a short period of prosperity, ALL of these groups were largely out of work or were working for very low wages.... even basic coal and energy was hard to find.......... there were no computers or real televisions........... so all of the people were in close quarters, outside..... and often at bars and public forums clashing with one another.

    We don't have that now. I am concerned with the erosion of our political systems since 9-11 and especially under Trump........ but he isn't Hitler and he lacks people with the vision of Himmler, Goering and Goebbels.
     
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  15. Nook

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    If it is Biden versus Trump............. they will have had a collective 155 years on this earth.

    Not to be morbid, but if you play with actuary tables.... and put in 2020-2024 as the period of time..... and put in two people with ages of 80 and 75....... well lets just say if you are a betting man, you have to strongly take the "under" on both of them being alive by 2024.
     
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  16. Nook

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    A lot of white faces in that crowd..... not good for Trump.
     
  17. Nook

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    People don't want a socialist President.

    Maybe some day they will, but not now.
     
  18. justtxyank

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    Biden's VP pick will be important you mean?
     
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  20. glynch

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    You could be right. We will just have to see. The programs Sanders is running on are so popular most of the other Dems are recently at times claiming to support them.
     

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