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[Official] Joe 2020

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    That's possible and probably probable. But who knows what momentum can do. That being said, momentum favors Bernie right now.
     
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    That's not really a problem as long as Bernie's not getting anywhere close to 50% of the delegates. If Biden becomes the only credible moderate, he'll win plenty of delegates the rest of the way. He may not cobble together a majority, but as long as him + Pete + Amy + Bloomberg have a majority, he'd almost certainly be the nominee. He just needs Pete/Amy/Bloomberg to drop out / fall after Super Tuesday to blunt Bernie's momentum. 60%+ of the delegates will still be available a week from now.
     
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    I agree that if Bloomy/Pete/Amy dropped out, Biden would have a chance at competing with Bernie, but saying Biden would certainly be the nominee is a big stretch.

    I'd like Bernie's chances against Joe in a 1v1 with a 100+ delegate head start. I think the more people hear Bernie speak, the more people hear Joe attempt to speak, the more they will like Bernie, the less they will like Joe.
     
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    Sorry - I meant he'd be the near certain nominee only if him + Pete + Amy + Bloomberg have a majority. Obviously, Bernie can still win if he wins this thing outright, or realistically, even if he get close and there's a big gap with whoever's 2nd.. But I don't see any of Pete/Amy/Bloomberg outperforming Biden, so if the "moderates" have a majority, it seems like Biden would be the most likely guy.
     
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    The question will be what happens to Biden's candidacy at that point if Bernie berns the place down.
     
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    So your talking about through the convention Joe would be picked, sure I could see that happening, but if Bernie has the most delegates of any candidate, and he doesn't get the nomination, it's going to be a problem.
     
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    It's the more like if the DNC demolishes the party, if you don't give the candidate with the most delegates the nomination, it's no longer a democratic process, which would make a lot of people who are voting for the democratic party upset.
     
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    It'll be a big test of Bernie's claim that "the most important thing is to beat Trump".

    If the moderates have 55-60% of the delegates, but Bernie has a plurality around 35%, I don't think there's any way Bernie ends up the nominee even if he threatens to burn it all down. If he's closer to 45% and the best individual moderate is maybe 25%, then Bernie probably rightly gets it, I assume?
     
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    Of course it's a democratic process. They are the rules that everyone agreed to and the party voted on, and that have been in place for generations. Even Bernie didn't ask for that to be changed. They are even the rules in the Constitution for the electoral college - a plurality doesn't win you the Presidency. If no one gets a majority in the EC, superdelegates (the House) decide.

    The only thing non-democratic would be to change the rules after the game has started.
     
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    This is a ridiculous argument.

    There are runoffs all over the country in every state every year for various elections up and down the ballot because nobody got a majority.
     
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    Biden just wins.
     
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    For real? These guys are both known commodities. Bernie has hit his ceiling. Biden has hit his floor.

    What matters more is where the not Joe not Bernie voters will break. Draw your own conclusion on that.
     
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    Who you think has not heard Bernie speak?

    He just ran for president in 2016 and is not really saying anything new.
     
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    That's not how democratic processes work.
     
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    That is how a democratic process works, and I'd take it a step further, I believe in 1 person 1 vote.

    It's just not how the process for the democratic party works.
     
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    Neither party's nomination process, nor the federal election process, is built around 1 person/1 vote, or plurality wins.
     
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    Yup.
     
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    Joe looked VERY solid in his victory speech tonight. I’m fully behind him at this point. Wasted my vote on Amy the other day but that’s okay
     
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    Is Joe senile? No
    Has Joe had some typical loss due to age? Yes
    Is it a problem? No. He's still sharper and knows more about the country, government, and running it successfully than Trump on his worst day.
    Also, Joe knows enough to appoint people and surround himself with folks that actually know how to the jobs for which they are assigned.
     

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