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[Official] Joe 2020

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    Ya the defund the police movement in my opinion was a short sighted knee jerk reaction. And too many people were rushing to defend it even me I believe.

    Defunding the police isn't the solution to police brutality. Higher quality screening of recruits, higher standards, which means an INCREASE in pay to cops and a change in a warrior mindset is what's going to solve the police brutality issue.


    The violent crime issue in these neighborhoods is a economic and criminal justice issue in my opinion.

    Of course Trump isn't going to paint those issues as economic issues and is going to go full on "tough on crime". If that rhetoric wins him the election, I'm done with this country.
     
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  2. rocketsjudoka

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    Coincidentally as I'm typing on local MN news they are showing one of Trump's ads about defunding the police.

    This is one that I agree with Pelosi the language needs to be changed but that it's out there and was pushed by protesters makes it difficult.
     
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    I have seen that add it's pretty efective but IMO too over the top wich blunts it's message.

    It also seems that the defund the police has lost a lot of steam.
     
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  4. NewRoxFan

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    New Joe Biden ad...

     
  5. Buck Turgidson

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    Reforming the police system and structure in this country is a many-faceted problem. Re-focusing the police to doing actual "policing", and not dealing with social issues like mental health, homelessness, truancy, etc...is just part of it, in addition to what you mentioned and several others (de-militarization, much more training in de-escalation would be high on the list).

    At least that's how I view the Defund movement.
     
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  6. Two Sandwiches

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    In order to accomplish what they need to accomplish(the things you mentioned...which I am most certainly in favor of), the need to increase funds to the police. Not defund.
     
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  7. jiggyfly

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    Why do you think they need to increase funds?
     
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    The amount of training these people need to undergo, (i.e. about ten times as much as they currently do), coupled with fair compensation, and hiring on more auxillary staff (social workers, etc. etc.) seems like it would definitely cost more.
     
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    Maybe they have enough money but need to prioritize the funds better?
     
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  10. Buck Turgidson

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    No, that's legit. We don't have to "rob Peter to pay Paul". We have to be allocating more funds to social issues like I mentioned.

    "Refocus The Police" is a better motto, but nobody asks me.
     
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    There is potential that the it's the case, of course.
     
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  12. NewRoxFan

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    trump's campaign's sense of what would be an effective ad is sure... weird.


     
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  13. RayRay10

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    Since the original tweet was already deleted, here's the original from Steve Guest (GOP Rapid Response Director). He did his job...he rapidly deleted his tweet that was in bad taste

     
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  14. jiggyfly

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    It's amazing how incompetent his staff is, who the hell thought this was a good idea and then to call his kid a crack smoker?

    And you don't even know if its Hunter Biden?

    And this from a guy who has a real position in the campaign.

    Those internal poll numbers must be looking terrible.
     
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    Yep...and it wasn't Hunter...it was Joe's other son, Beau who passed in 2015.
     
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  16. jiggyfly

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    My God!

    What kind of special idiot does that?

    Who hires these guys?
     
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  17. NewRoxFan

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    Latest Biden ad... targeting Texas...

     
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    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...wing-everything-biden-nothing-sticks-n1233097

    'Difficult to attack vanilla': Trump's throwing everything at Biden but nothing is sticking
    It's different from four years ago when the president was "helped by the fact that Hillary had 20 years of built-in negatives," one Republican said.

    Here's an idea...spend less time attacking, and spend more time on your platform and the successes you've accomplished...oh wait
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    Biden's record is longer and more checkered than Hillary Clinton's. It just shows how much visceral hatred there was to Clinton even from many Democrats.
     
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    "Biden set to offer newly ambitious climate goals":

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ced8b8-c578-11ea-b037-f9711f89ee46_story.html

    excerpt:

    Joe Biden’s campaign announced a proposal Tuesday to transform the nation’s energy industry, pledging to eliminate carbon pollution from power plants by 2035 and spend $2 trillion to turbocharge the clean energy economy.

    The plan would dramatically reduce the country’s reliance on fossil fuels, and the 15-year timeline for a 100 percent clean electricity standard is far more ambitious than anything Biden has previously proposed.

    It is the latest sign of Biden’s attempt to reflect the liberal energy in his party, as well as a response to calls for more sweeping plans to lift an economy that is expected to feel the impact of the coronavirus pandemic for years.

    The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee proposes upgrading 4 million buildings and weatherizing 2 million homes over four years, which his campaign estimates would create 1 million jobs. Homeowners would be given cash rebates to upgrade home appliances and install more efficient windows. Car owners would receive rebates to swap their old, less efficient cars for newer ones that release fewer pollutants.

    Many of Biden’s proposals, which he plans to outline in a speech Tuesday afternoon in Wilmington, Del., build on the recommendations of a task force made up jointly of allies of Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). Those recommendations include plans to dramatically expand solar and wind energy, including the installation of 500 million solar panels and 60,000 wind turbines.
    more at the link

     
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